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The Jacobsen Group with Jon Jacobsen · Mon Feb 3, 2025
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Let's start out with...
Issue number one, US Senate hearings debacle this week.
This reporter and commentator was chagrined and disgusted at the absolute debacle at the beginning of the hearings of the Robert F. Kennedy confirmation for HHS secretary on Wednesday.
And it's going to get worse.
What they're going to do to cash Patel for FBI and Tulsi Gabbard.
there at Department of National Intelligence.
Long knives are waiting.
It looks like all three are going to have troubles getting confirmed.
Tulsi Gabbard already has more than three Republican senators indicating they won't support her.
Kash Patel has got long knives out for him.
And of course, the treacherous evildoers, Mitch McConnell and Lady Graham, Lindsay Graham, of course,
blocking Bobby Kennedy, if one of the v-towers from the first rounds of Haggsyth and Gates, such as Collins and Murkowski vote no, Bobby's got to rally somebody.
Maybe it's Federman.
Guys, the savagery against Bobby was somewhat unexpected in that.
even his own family turned on him.
You know, they say blood's thicker than water, but blood's not thicker than greenbacks when it comes to some of those Kennedy grifters.
And I was also disappointed at the wimpiness of the Republicans with the onslaught of Democrats there.
It seems to me like we've got a house of lords that doesn't realize Donald Trump won a landslide.
He deserves his people to run his departments.
They were not voting for the Republican Rhinos.
They were voting for Mega.
Jacob Hall, where am I wrong here?
Well, you're not.
But I think the news of the week is that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
wasn't willing to criticize a onesie as his former organization sells.
And that was just hard hitting stuff.
Where would we be without Bernie Sanders unearthing these great controversies of our time?
It's just a really complicated situation from the standpoint of
Was anybody shocked that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
was nominated for this post?
Did we kind of not see that coming when he endorsed President Trump in Arizona?
Like, they should have known this was coming.
Arguably, I'll put an asterisk there.
Arguably won the election for Trump, along with help from Elon Musk on the free speech side, but Bobby's three to four percent clearly, I think, put Trump over the top.
But I digress.
Continue your brilliant thoughts, Mr. Hall.
point and I think it's a point that's not lost on anybody who isn't drinking the water from the Potomac I guess as they say but it just it it's kind of one of those things where you want to be surprised and upset but on the other hand it's exactly what you expect from the Republicans in the United States Senate.
I'm in contact with Bobby, been sending him encouraging messages as have another great Iowa physician and some of our friends over on the Nebraska side.
Bobby's a man of great faith, and you know, we'll see how this works out.
Frankly, I just think President Trump should recess a point, Kennedy.
Gabbard and cash Patel and just tell the rhinos to go take a hike.
And then I think people like me should go to South Dakota and fund a mega candidate, not as a primary primaries don't work.
Millions flood in to keep the incumbents up there.
Go in there as a third party non political party organization, get on the ballot, siphon 45% off in a few of these states and literally dislodge these
Republicans checkmate them, so to speak, checkmate the rhinos out of office.
If the Democrats so be it, not much difference.
Let's go to you, Sam Jones.
Do you share any frustration that I have in this process?
You know, John, I think that we're going to be having a frustrating process going forward and it doesn't have so much to do with
the personal views that these people have, although that's certainly going to be showing and whatnot.
But what's happening in America, I believe, is that the lines are being redrawn for the political parties.
If you look at it, there's really two Republican parties.
There's really two Democrat parties.
And then really part of the Republican party and part of that Democrat party has created a populist party is what's really happening.
And Trump is really head of the populist party.
which of course is headed with the GOP, but Bobby Kennedy is part of that populist party.
And as you mentioned before, the House of Lords, well, the House of Lords don't like the popular opinion here.
I mean, this is, you know, not trying to get into Marxism or anything, but like this really is kind of a bourgeois versus the proletariat here is what's going on in what we're seeing is that you do have a working class people that have risen up and they are getting frustrated by those who are the elitist.
But they're not elitists because they've rightly got there.
They're elitists, some of them, because, my goodness, they've been in office for 732 years.
And they haven't really worked a day in their life when you look at somebody like Bernie Sanders.
when you really look at these kinds of things, I mean, I think that we're really going to be heading into a wall of frustration because we see this power shift, we see this dynamic, we see the lines being redrawn, and we're finding out that just because somebody has a certain letter next to their name, it doesn't mean that they're really part of that party or that party really encompasses.
everything that is, uh, you know, claimed by that party right now.
It's a very interesting time that we're living in.
Boy, two for two.
How can we top it?
Well, Jen Bowen might be able to do it.
Jen, you've been on radio programs with me and other states, including in Nebraska.
We've seen the evolution of Bobby Kennedy.
We've seen him struggle with the life issue, moving off the leftist, uh, Kennedy family pro abort stance that actually.
launched the Democrat Party's embracing of abortion in the mid sixties.
They're in Hyanna's Port at meetings founded by the Kennedy family.
Bobby, we know as much as a year and a half ago in that August son at the Iowa State Fair initially said he favored a ban on all abortions after viability, essentially.
And although that was walked back for him, although he did not sign that, during the race, you could tell he's struggling with it.
But again, the other day, he said that he will carry out President Trump's pro-life profile, that every abortion is a tragedy, that no nation can be moral if it allows abortions like that.
And his campaign stopped.
One of his first campaign stops around the time he switched campaign managers was at a African American woman who ran a pro-life pregnancy counseling center.
Kennedy has said he will not allow any fundings of abortion.
Kennedy has also said he will work to oppose late term abortions.
Jen, I am heartened at this man's courage.
The fury directed at him is in large part.
because he has ameliorated his rabid pro-abortion stance into really a pro-life general view.
He's still in process.
His family won't even forgive him for that, Jen Bowen.
Well, I think you're absolutely right.
We have seen, and as you said, we talked a number of times about what we saw here on the presidential campaign trail with him and
you know, it's always fascinating to watch individuals as they're warring in their souls.
And you can see that on this particular issue.
And I think his closeness, obviously, with President Trump, who is arguably one of the most articulate defenders against late-term abortion and its barbarity.
And so I just think it's a really incredible
thing to watch as somebody evolves.
We have to be the party and the people of accepting those who have converted.
And whether it's a full conversion or a semi-conversion, he's on the right path.
And I think it also speaks highly to his integrity that even if he's not fully aware, his boss, as he called him the other day, is on the issue
He's willing to walk out what the president wants when it comes to protecting all innocent lives.
Do we have a long way to go with both of them?
Absolutely, but we've shown for 50 plus years that the pro-life movement and the pro-life people are not going to back down until all lives are protected.
I do think, as you mentioned,
these women and just watching women, many of whom may even be post-supported themselves, either their own child or supporting their own grandchild, murder, you know, whatever, and watching the seizing rage and just the vitriolic attacks where some people were concerned for Elizabeth Warren's health as she went after him.
after R.R.C.
Junior a couple of times in recent days.
And I think it speaks highly to this politicized, very emotional issue of abortion.
And I think that, like you said, he has committed the unpardonable sin for them, which is descending human life in the womb.
And I just give him
great kudos for that
and I'll
end with I'll just say that you know I've been reading a lot of comments that have watched these play out and more and more people are like you know the more and more these enraged Democrats come at him I'm more and more convinced that he's the right person for the job.
Absolutely, Jennifer.
Great take.
This is demonic.
What is going on?
You can clearly see that.
I would remind you that Ronald Reagan, you know what?
We're all works in process.
We're all creatures of conversion by the grace of God, whether it's King David, Imperfect Cyrus of Persia, the King who freed.
the Israeli captives during the Babylonian exile, or the greatest Pharisee next to Gamaliel, Saul of Tarsus who became Paul, were all works in progress.
Ronald Reagan as governor of California signed the most liberal abortion bill in the nation as president recanted and wrote a book as president abortion in the conscience of the nation, a brilliant pro-life tome.
Donald Trump as this reporter was the first to elicit
Donald Trump at length, his views on life.
When I did that Marshalltown town hall, you can go to YouTube and Google it.
Donald Trump holds town hall in Marshalltown where Trump talks about why he embraced such a pro life position after he wrote that beautiful pro life essay in USA today during the week of the anniversary of Roe versus Wade back when he first ran for president.
Donald Trump already.
In 48 hours since he took office, reinstated the Mexico City policy of no funding of foreign abortions, no funding of military abortions,
freeing up and pardoning the political prisoners that were imprisoned, including some elderly grandmothers and young mothers, for merely praying at the appropriate distances outside of abortion mills, fathers that were imprisoned in swat raids in the middle of the night, terrorizing their children for the same sins of praying and
Trump has been the great liberator and he, not Ronald Reagan, not the Bushes, Trump was the one that got a Supreme Court put together that did overturn Roe versus Wade.
I think another reason why the Caroline Kennedys and the Pocahontas Warrens are so upset is that
Bobby County might dent their wallet.
Those two have all been bought and paid for by Big Pharma.
They have huge, huge financial interest in Big Pharma, which is an inherent conflict of interest.
Shame on them.
Issue two.
What's going on in the Iowa legislature?
I am not the happy camper.
Guys, I'm going to let Jacob do the news recap on the
of a special election house race in Iowa and I smell something rotten and it ain't in Denmark.
It's up by the Mississippi River in Clinton.
Jacob, what a buckle happened this week.
How can you lay the cards on the table for us?
Yeah, I just really want to thank you for the opportunity to be in this position where I get to become public enemy number one right here.
I don't know that you could.
I don't know that.
I mean, I know that Republicans perform poorly in special elections, typically, but to lose a district that President Trump won by over 20 points.
I mean, you you've got to really almost work to do that.
There's no way,
Jacob, there is no way that is a six standard.
As I tell my statistics kids in college, doesn't we call a six sigma event?
That is six standard deviations.
The wrong end of the spectrum.
Yeah, well, it's definitely deviant now the thing that we have to know is
You just take these pieces, you put them together, and there's a puzzle.
Maybe if one or two of these things happens, it's kind of like, oh, that's weird.
What a coincidence.
But what I know I've been told, and I have no reason not to trust the people that tell me, is that young Republicans went to help Katie and knocked doors in Senate District 35, and they were relying on a list that was provided to them.
I've been told by either the Senate Majority Fund or the Republican Party of Iowa, and they were sent to Democrat voter doors.
I'm not a political scientist in terms of a political science degree, but I'm pretty sure in a special election, you don't want to go tell all the people in the opposite party that it's going on.
Yeah, that's only going to increase their turnout.
Absolutely.
And then John, you had a Republican who's currently serving in the Iowa House ran for this seat at the nominating convention and perform extremely poorly when he did a speech.
So he lost the nomination.
And then his wife was on Facebook telling people not to vote for the Republican.
And I can tell you, this is the first time I've said it publicly, so you're breaking some news here.
I can tell you on Wednesday morning on the floor of the Iowa House of Representatives, that same Republican representative, Tom Determan, was on the floor talking to a Democrat representative saying, hey, Scott County will never admit they made a mistake.
They picked the wrong candidate.
And he was almost bloating about the Democrat victory.
I can also tell you there was not a single quote unquote attack mailer done against her opponent.
I've seen the attack mailers at the Democrat Party put out against Katie.
I can tell what people have told me.
I haven't confirmed it because I don't listen to 1040 WHO every day all day.
And you're a better man for it.
Right.
But I can tell you, I can tell you.
that Rita Hart, the Democrat Party Chair, was on 1040 WHO Radio the day of the special election, getting the word out about the special election, and Jeff Kauffman and the RPI was MIA.
And you go through the Republican Party of Iowa social media, see if you can find anything that says get out the vote from Tuesday.
It's just a lot of stuff happened that makes you go
Like canceling, you know, telling her not to hold an event was Steve King that was anti CO2 pipeline pro private property rights.
All these things add up and you go, it's almost like they tried to lose.
You know, Jacob, having been in a somewhat similar position, I know Jen Bowen remembers, Jen, I was not the choice of the governor nor the speaker of the house when I ran for house.
By the grace of God, I won six elections.
But oh, I know how well things can go.
And of course, I detest that legislative majority fund because it takes your donor's money and they reallocate it to their pet projects who they can either feed or starve whoever leadership wants in there.
Fortunately, I never played that game.
But Jen Bowen, it must.
It is like an Alice in Wonderland, viewing through the looking glass there.
We have a Republican who is poison because she's mega, she's a populist, she wants property rights, she wants medical freedom, and she's pro-life.
These days in Iowa, I don't think there's a home for that in the GOP.
What say you, Jen
Bowen?
Absolutely disheartening.
You mentioned Allison for looking glass.
I have my own very unique looking glass and that is this side of stage 4 cancer.
And it makes a whole lot of things real, real clear.
And I just am dumbfounded by how snookered.
for lack of a better way to add Iowa, Republican, the true heart and soul grassroots of these, this state, how they have just been taken in by people that had absolutely no desire to stand by the promises that they made.
It's
almost a blinded idolatry in a sixth sense, Jennifer.
There's absolutely no doubt about it.
I just, you know, wouldn't you think?
And you look back at just these, even just these last few years, since Roe v. Wade was supernaturally dismantled in June of 2022.
And the culmination of what everybody, every politician that ever ran on the pro-life ticket, particularly in Iowa, this was their day.
They long anticipated it, right?
And you find out it's crickets from
any of the most quote-unquote ardent pro-life person in the state house.
And you find out maybe they didn't mean what they said.
And I don't know how you can look at these last number of years where Iowa literally devolved from that moment in 2022, where we devolved into an abortion sanctuary state for over two years until the field heartbeat bill went into effect last year.
last year.
I don't know how you can look at it and say 26,000 plus unborn babies are dead under this governor's leadership under a supposed pro-life trisecta that gets stronger every election and to add salt into the wound our pro-life, professing pro-life governor
There'd be for all those professing pro-life leaders here in the state just days ago.
And she said, pro-life policies win elections.
Well, she's right.
They win elections.
But for how long?
How long until these amazing-hearted, loyal pro-life people in Iowa wake
wake up to the reality that we're not seeing promises made, promises kept.
We're seeing promises made and we have a whole lot of dead babies in Iowa as a result.
That's Jen Bowen, Pastor Sam Jones.
I'm going to give you the last word this segment.
Sam, what horrifies me is this is the once in a lifetime and the last of a lifetime, certainly for me at my age, that we will ever see this opportunity to end abortion in Iowa with a GOP governor
de facto super majorities than GOP Senate and House, a GOP Supreme Court, a GOP administrative state in Sam.
I don't see any pro-life legislation that's meaningful other than a little window dressing in the aisles this session.
Sam, what is going on?
What is wrong with the Republican Party in Iowa and her leadership?
I say there is a cancer on the Iowa Republican Party establishment.
What's that you, Sam?
Yeah, you know John the the only thing that Republican leadership hates more than Democrats are conservative Republicans That's the only thing that they hate more than Democrats and that's why that special election went away that it did it's not that they were You know in unintentionally trying to lose it's that they were going and showing who the real enemy was because conservative policy is the enemy now
You're absolutely right.
You look at this time.
I mean, we are here such a time as this when it comes to Iowa.
I mean, this is the extra moment.
This is the moment when we have the Senate, the House, and supermajorities.
We have the governor.
We also have, of course, all appointed Supreme Court justices.
And just as Jennifer pointed out, 26,000 babies have been murdered under this regime.
And the problem that you look at this...
When we look at this as first of all, our hands are full of blood before God.
I mean, it's just absolutely sick.
It's absolutely terrible.
It's that the Republican Party is who is responsible for these babies to be dead.
They're
the
only party that is standing in the way of abolishing abortion in Iowa.
There is no doubt about it.
Now, I don't want to just sit here and sound like a Debbie Downer, but I want to leave you off with a little bit of hope, John.
Excellent.
A little birdie has told me that there is a bill that is just about to come hot off the press to put forth to abolish abortion, to abolish abortion.
Excellent.
And to absolutely make it so that there are equal rights for a child inside the womb, which is what we need.
We need that established.
Yes, we
do.
And so John, be looking for that.
I think that this, it could even.
It could even be coming out just as soon as like this is coming out.
This might be right there, right on the tip of our tongue.
This could be some pretty exciting stuff.
So for those who are listening, if you want to abolish abortion, the opportunity is going to be there.
The question is, is will the Republican Party leadership want to do that?
Or will they go and say, hey, I got all these other things that are priority.
We can have more dead babies bodies on our hands.
We are breaking news all over the place this morning here on KXEL the blowtorch 1540 100.5 exit question predictions nationally or statewide I'll enter first if the continuing debacle of Senate hearings pervades with saboteurs named McConnell Graham and the likes of Collins and Murkowski President Trump
will recess a point and John Thune's Senate career in South Dakota will be in jeopardy.
Thune, as a majority leader, easily could lay down the law.
If he does not do it, he deserves to forfeit his seat and a third party candidate will emerge in South Dakota to peel enough of the base off to prevent Thune from being reelected.
Jacob Hall, predictions.
Yeah, you know, John, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that four or five years after the abuse of emergency powers by the governor here in Iowa and pretty much every governor everywhere.
This is finally the year that a bill will be introduced to reform the governor's emergency powers as it has been, but not advance again.
because I just don't see the will and the legislature to stand up to Governor Reynolds.
And that's really unfortunate.
You know, Senator Ken Rosenboom is the chair of the state government committee in the Iowa Senate.
He was asked about this bill last Saturday at a forum.
And he said in 2021, they had a discussion in caucus on a bill similar to this.
He thought it was the right legislation, but not the right time.
And that's your freedom he's talking about.
Oh, yeah.
It's absolutely monstrous.
And I'll tell you what, Jacob, that the administrative state in Iowa hasn't seen anything wait until these state medical and pharmacy boards across the country are sued for RICO racketeering.
Stand by.
But that's a prediction for another day.
I go to Jennifer Bowen predictions.
I.
I predict that of the half a dozen or more pro-life pieces of legislation that have been introduced, or as Pastor Sam has said, will be introduced pretty soon.
I predict that, I don't know, zero, make it through the first funnel in February 14th.
And I predict that it's time for Iowans to tell their legislature that have been sitting there in silence.
waiting to be told what to do from above, that it's time to show us what you have promised
us.
Jen Bowen, if what you say is true, then we need to see a regime change across the entire spectrum comprehensively of the Iowa GOP establishment.
You get the last word, Pastor Sam.
Prediction.
You know, John, and you're going to like this prediction here because of what you just said about the regime change that we need.
And that is if our Iowa legislature continues to absolutely do nothing.
And of course, with the leadership there, it's not just the legislature.
It's coming right from the governor's office.
If they continue to not prioritize things that are right there, and I've always been there in the Republican platform,
And they continue to go back behind closed doors and make deals to pay on not be making that the people of Iowa will wake up in the next two years and some big changes here inside of Iowa because I mean, it's one of those things where we look out and I go, you know, Kim Reynolds does not have the covering of Donald Trump, it would seem right now.
And I think that these kinds of things are going to make it dangerous.
for that Iowa leadership and that do nothing Republican party to continue to do nothing.
What a terrific panel.
I want to thank the conscience of the conservatives in Iowa, Pastor Sam Jones, Jennifer Bowen, the historic matriarch of the Iowa pro-life movement and Iowa's top journalist commentator, Jacob Hall of the Iowa standard.
Yours truly, John Jacobson here, still your current president of the Iowa Broadcast News Association.
It doesn't matter where I am, as long as we've got a microphone, Blake Griffin,
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This is not without precedent.
Abraham Lincoln had to grow a beard.
Lincoln was shaven when he won the presidency.
He grew a beard.
They had to smuggle Abraham Lincoln into town incognito in DC to avoid threats against his life.
They were that in fear of Lincoln's
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So the stages set Americans by large are rejoicing as we talked about on some of our other programming today.
CBS News, one of the most virulently anti-Trump networks, has put out a poll.
Trump's popularity is off the charts.
Over 60% optimistic and this includes black, white,
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This includes men and women.
There's no more gender gap.
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The optimism for Trump is at a 67% level.
Guys, people have taken a second look at Trump and realized why they fell in love with him the first time.
I feel a good vibe going on.
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before we go to
Joe.
Dr. Hartz and I, Dr. Hartz has, because of my influence on him, he's the world's greatest hyperbaric doc.
He came out with a position nomenclature paper two years ago saying that we need to call hyper, hyperbaric just under an umbrella term of hyperbaric therapy because there's a lot of different gases that we can use to make this all work even better.
And one of the greatest frauds before the pandemic, in my personal opinion, was the use of 1.3 atmospheres of room air as a placebo dose.
It is absolutely not a placebo.
It is absolutely the safest, most accessible, easiest thing for the average American to do in their own home.
And we can reverse dementia with it in our own homes.
And that's how powerful this frontiers in neurology paper is, is that Dr. Hart is sending it all over the world.
to help everyone understand it's the pressure not the oxygen necessarily in most people when we do need to use oxygen in certain conditions in a certain times but with long-term chronic neurological issues and even even in a pinch having to treat covid uh... in the middle of the night like like we did up in okuboji uh... you know saving multiple people's lives uh... including my former partner uh... brad meyer
His mom was had severe COVID and we treated her in her own living room with a hyperbaric air tank and lots of pro-immune immune formulation 200.
So Joe, take it away.
Yeah,
and
Joe, before you do that, so this is key, key takeaway guys from Fogarty.
It's the air pressure, not the oxygen, right, Dr.
Fogarty?
It's the, the majority effect is an electro voltage, electrochemical effect that has to do with gases as an entire class of molecules that, that do not, we don't need to worry about boundaries with.
And that even includes, you know, there's protocols from 1975 on how we can, we can, we can reverse metastatic cancer with hydrogen gas under high pressures.
That got buried in 1975 in the scientific literature.
We already had the cure for cancer with hyperbaric hydrogen.
So
it
is,
It is kind of out of the reach of most physicians don't understand physics as well as somebody like I do.
I'm a radiologist.
My pole practice is based on devices of physics, healing people.
This is awesome.
Wow, Joe.
Mind blowing stuff.
Take it away from there, Joseph.
Well, thank you, gentlemen.
What a beautiful day to spending with you on the pre inauguration of President Trump.
and J.D.
Vance, and I want to say homage to both of them.
It's a very, very exciting day for the future of this country, for the future of America, for the future of health.
John Jacobson, you and I have had the conversation prior about the average Joe.
My name happens to be Joe, but I'm an average Joe.
I'm not a scientist.
I'm not a medical doctor.
I'm not a politician.
I'm an average guy like everybody on the show today.
None of us are billionaires.
We're all struggling to put our kids through colleges and pay our mortgages.
We're just regular Joe's basically.
And you know, the Trump administration is doing so much.
to help make America great again and healthy.
Now, on the health arena, we have the great RFK Jr., who will be helping bring awareness to great modalities like hyperbaric and nutraceutical and promune and immune formulation 200, by the way.
Your audience may not even know what it is.
It's an all-natural dietary supplement.
It's a scientific breakthrough of effort, proportion, because it basically mimics what hyperbaric does.
Dr. Fogarty could confirm that in a few minutes when I'm finished speaking, but he'll get into the science of that a little clearer, but that's what
promune does basically it's mimicking what hyperbaric does and basically in layman's terms I'll explain it very simply so the audience could understand it very easily basically what we're all facing all of us average jeros and all of america and all people we're all inundated and we're over toxified with toxicity from everything we eat breathe and drink
so we've got people that are hanging on every word here they heard you talk so eloquently last week you want to talk about toxicity
California and the fires in Joe, you swept into action.
How can something like Proimmune help these people that are literally choking on the air over there?
You've run to the rescue, go with that.
Oh, I'll get, okay, absolutely.
Let's just say the toxicity then that forms oxidative stress inside the cells and then when you have oxidative stress you have inflammation.
Okay, what's happening in California is these poor victims are being so exposed to toxic overload to levels that the body that the cells and the lungs cannot handle and Promune Immune Formulation 200 by inhaling it instead of taking the scoop on the tongue one in the morning one at night, which is helping to mitigate the
The viruses, according to Dr. Ted Fogarty, who's on the show today, but let's talk about the lungs for a minute by inhaling and microdosing.
After you shake that jar, you will see the fine powder rising up in the air.
You microdose it.
You inhale it three times in a row, once in the morning, once in the afternoon, once tonight, clears up the oxidative stress, the toxicity, the heavy metals, reduces the inflammation inside the bronchi of the lungs.
I implore everybody, get on the bestimmunesupport.com, read the science, try to understand what this does, get a jar wherever you can get it, inhale that promune, read the realDrJudy.com's website, Dr. Judy Michaelbytes, the molecular biologist from Newport Beach, California.
She's telling everybody all over California, promune is a must have.
Inhale it, breathe it in, clear up those lungs, because if you don't,
The lungs are going to form something called reactive oxygen species.
And then after that, you have cancers and you don't want that.
You've got to, you have to mitigate the toxicity.
Thebestimmunesupport.com.
One last thing, John, this is a gift from the heart.
Anybody that's listening, put in the code GIFT at checkout.
Take 20% off.
That's a gift from me.
That's my commission basically.
But I'm giving that away.
And the other thing is, one last thing, very important, if you know anybody in California, I beg you, tell them to listen to this podcast.
Tell them to get on the website, dbestomeatsupport.com.
Read the science.
Tell them to get on my Instagram, best immune support.
Listen to it.
Watch the video.
Watch the one minute video of how to inhale the promune.
Ted Fogarty, by the way, is on the show, Dr. Edward Ted Fogarty.
Dr. Fogarty, did you know Dr. Judy Michael Bytes put that video?
in her newsletter and sent it to everybody she knows around the country, trying to educate them.
Did you know that, Dr. Folkening?
Amen, Joe.
She is a spokeswoman of science and truth, and I personally developed that whole technique going back years to help with my asthma and then to help with people with COVID infection, even use that technique on my own daughter.
I gotta tell you, you know, having her and you get together on this and getting it out to the Californians, it's huge.
You know, this is so great, guys.
There's such a synergy here.
I think there could be a synergy nationwide.
We're gonna go in two other little arcs here with about 12 minutes left here on KOFO.
You're listening to Make America Healthy Again on our Sunday Night Prime Time outing here, John Jacobson with Sean Torres in studio, Dr. Edward Francis.
Fogarty, the third MD on with Joseph Casarino.
Dr. Fogarty, I want to save, you know, they always say in a paper, save the appendix to last, but we'll talk about the appendix here coming up.
But what are your hopes and aspirations for what a Trump administration with an HHS led by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
could do, Dr. Fogarty?
How optimistic are you?
Extremely optimistic, you know, we're gonna we're gonna get the North Dakota CARES Act COVID pandemic protocols across the nation because they are foundationally regenerative medicine techniques that we can all do in our own homes and Bobby's all on board Bobby's got his
own hang.
Yeah,
Joe.
He's got his own chamber.
He's got his own pro immune.
He knows all of this stuff.
I've been in constant contact with Bobby.
You have been.
You've been an
advisor.
Yes.
I'd like to interrupt.
Sure, Joe.
I just spoke with Dr. Crumb today.
I just sent you an email regarding that, actually.
It's an email.
Dr. Crumb is amenable to licensing the formula and the recipe to promune for the hospital systems to the Americas in a very, very low-cost, one-time, in perpetuity license where every hospital system could license the recipe to promune.
Excuse me, I actually convinced Dr. Crumb to do that.
Because Doc Cummings has a lot of restrictions and concerns about cost, because he needs a lot of money to pay his research, his licensing, his patents, his legal fees, blah, blah, blah.
And I said, Dr. Crum, I am begging you that I am begging you.
I'm your advisor.
I'm your distributor.
I'm your liaison.
I'm the guy.
You told me, I said at your right hand seat, I am begging you, do this for America as a goodwill gesture for a little bit of money.
It doesn't have to be $200 million, $100 million, a few million dollars, put a deal together, license it to the hospital system, and let them use what you and Dr. Fogarty and Michael Bites and Dr. Xavier Figueroa know is the healthiest
scientific discovery formula that will do more for self-help than anybody could imagine at the current time until they learn about it.
So that's all being discussed right now.
And Dr. Crom is amenable to working with the HHS and anybody in the Trump administration to make promune available to the American hospital system.
Now, that doesn't mean we won't sell the dietary supplement to people that want to buy it for in-home use, but for the hospitals, they'll get it.
pennies on the dollar.
This is huge.
And Dr. Fogarty, you've been arguing for this to be in every hospital in America for a variety of reasons.
Why so?
Well, you know, coming right out of the Eastern Kansas Plains with the great Orville Cunningham MD, who was the first hyperbaric pandemic physician of Earth at the University of Kansas.
Right down
the road here, guys.
Right down the road from us, the irony of this, the beautiful irony.
Continue, Dr. Fogarty.
You know, so Dr. Crumb has basically created the basic recipe for what hyperbaric stimulus is doing inside the cell.
It's a very complicated situation, but the feedstock for glutathione synthesis inside the cell is Crumb's product, right?
So this is a marriage made in heaven.
When I came in and brought the hyperbaric crowd around to Dr. Crumb too, and I'm just like, you know, what Orwell Cunningham was trying to do all those years ago with air pressure alone, and he didn't know the biochemistry behind it, but the gentle stimulus of reactive nitrogen in the air and reactive oxygen in the air.
under hyperbaric pressure supercharges the nrf2 system nrf2 is something i call it nerf2 just to remember it kind of like a nerf football but nrf2 is this jesus molecule of all time in all of the regenerative medicine science shops around the world all of these companies are trying to make nrf2 promoters and stimuluses and and the easiest simplest and safest way to actually
Stimulate NRF2 is bimodal.
It's by both the increased reactive oxygen species of hyperbaric therapy, plus the increased nitrogen when we're using air.
And this is all in my paper, and it's a pretty easy paper to read.
If you go to the Frontiers in Neurology, you go to PubMed, and you do a search on Fogarty, FOG, ARTY, and HARCH, H, A, R, C, H, you will pull up all of our cases together.
all of our science together, and the top hit will be this most recent one.
And so when we have this gentle, safe toxin of reactive oxygen species and reactive nitrogen species, it invokes NRF2, but also Dr. Crump's, all of his patents going back to the first one, L-cysteine is a key amino acid.
It's two cysteine molecules linked together in a sulfur-sulfur double bond.
And that's the only way it can get in the cell.
There's no other product on the market that actually gives you the basic molecule that goes into the cell to stimulate NRF2.
That's called L-cysteine.
And that is what Dr. Crumb's genius is.
And that's why he got patents from the United States, Canada, Australia, and a number of other nations because of this incredible observation.
that the only way our cells can actually make glutathione is by having the L-15 come across the membrane.
And so once that happens, it also triggers NRF2 similarly to the way the oxygen does.
So you're getting two twin engine cell signaling systems going at the same time.
And
NRF2
tells the cell to start making glutathione as fast as it can hundreds of times faster than under normal conditions when you add the proimmune and the hyperbaric therapy.
And so that is what is going on at the molecular level in the midst of all of these hyperbaric therapy sessions.
Orville Cunningham didn't realize that he needed a whole bunch of pro-immune-immune formulation 200 or 15 to really make all of this work even better.
This is huge.
This is my
clinical experience as I've been observing the interaction of Paul Harch's practice and Dr. Krone's practice and putting those two great incredible American geniuses together and their medical protocols together under my umbrella.
taken that and turned these protocols into the fastest regenerative medicine techniques on the planet.
This
is
absolutely awesome.
So we're
reversing me and my colleagues that I've taught this to, especially Dr. David Hartsuch out in eastern Iowa.
We are reversing diseases that were previously, Orville Cunningham was doing that a hundred years ago, but he didn't have, he didn't have Dr. Crumb's genius on his side making it work even better.
Taking the diseases of the day and the AMA came after him for basically curing people from rheumatoid arthritis and all this stuff with just room air.
under pressure.
He couldn't explain how it worked, but now we can.
And your segue is great because we want to end the show.
We've got two minutes, but I know you can do this.
How this is working out clinically.
You just alluded to it, how we are curing like we have not cured before.
Dr. David Hartzich, who's normally with us, is on assignment today, but there's an anecdote.
Someone said, tell the appendix story.
Dr. Fogarty, what can you illuminate for us?
Okay, regarding the great appendicitis case that Dr. Hart-Such is now working on that we're going to publish together.
So he has a patient who went to the emergency room in the Quad Cities.
She had an acute appendicitis and the surgeon decided to treat it with antibiotics and just watch it.
And she ended up getting in touch with Dr. Hart-Such, who then started putting her into his hyperbaric air therapy protocols.
And they've been following this by CT.
The appendix looks normal by CT now.
It's an acute appendicitis, basically cured, treated non-surgically under the direction of a very judicious surgeon who knows Dr. Hart such and trusted him on this idea.
And he now has a perfectly normal appendix after five days.
prior having an inflamed appendix that should have gone to the OR, but they did the right thing.
In my opinion, when we look at diverticulitis, which is an infection in the colon of a small diverticulum, we usually just give antibiotics anyway, and don't go to the OR unless it bursts.
This is the 21st century of medicine now that Dr. Hart's such as practicing, where we can cool off in the hot appendicitis with
combination of antibiotics and hyperbaric air therapy in several days and now she doesn't have to have a scar.
Now she doesn't have to have an incision.
There's a lot of post-surgical problems, especially in women's bellies after we go in with a surgical knife and then they get adhesions and then they come to the ER all the time with a bunch of follow-up abdominal pain symptoms that we can't figure out.
So this is going to be the lights out, the next publication that I'm going to get out.
into the scientific literature is going to be with Dr. Hartzuch this time.
And this is going to inform and change a lot of things in the next 15 years, this protocol.
This is so fantastic.
And when I think about how medical authorities in the state of Iowa
on the Board of Medicine and Board of Pharmacy went after our courageous physicians of conscience who were doing these cutting-edge correct therapies for COVID, I'm thinking specifically of the COVID situation, and how these physicians that were curing their patients and using therapies like ivermectin or these other therapies, how they've been unjustly persecuted.
I have great hope that some of those wrongs could be remedied under the current administration.
Joe Castorino, I'm going to give you the last word
as we wind up tonight on Primetime Sunday nights here on Make America Healthy again, sponsored by Dr. Edward Francis Fogarty, the third MD.
Joe, take it away.
I'll make it very quick.
First of all, regarding Dr. Fogarty, you know, what he's doing for America in conjunction with RFK Junior and Dr. Crumb, and even including myself.
is beyond comprehension.
It is.
Because the value and the benefit of hyperbaric ampromium, what that would do to the hospital system, would be unprecedented.
So, Prudos to Dr. Fogarty, because he's initiating all this to RFK Junior.
Dr. Fogarty is pretty much saying I have it on a silver platter for you.
This is the answer.
Thank you, Dr. Fogarty, for that.
Next thing I want to say in closing is I would love to have a show very soon, maybe even next week with Dr. Fogarty, discussing to your audience that the glutathione precursors, NAC, or glutathione products are unequivocally not as effective as the all-natural proimmune.
Glutathione precursor.
It's a unique blend of three amino acids that we have to describe to your audience that if they think they could take prom, excuse me, glutathione or NAC and get the same effect, no way, no how.
We need a show dedicated to that.
And that's what every research, peer-reviewed research by 18 universities have proved.
Everything I'm just saying to you in two minutes, that was proven by 18 universities that nothing is as effective as promule, not any.
not glue the thigh on.
The doctors don't know this.
The pharmacies don't know this.
And who's the guy going around the country, educating them on the behalf of Dr. Fogarty and Dr. Michael Weiss and Dr. Crumb?
Me.
So thebestimmunesupport.com.
Read the science.
Let's have a show dedicated to this, please.
I beg you.
So Dr. We
will rack it.
We'll rack that up.
Sean's already plotting
our
strategy and Dr. Ted Fogarty.
Again, it's really amazing when we look at the progress that there is and the hope.
that we do have around the corner.
And I know I've got people both of the radio station and at Ottawa that want you to come in on a Zoom call to describe the utilization of these small units.
So Dr. Fode, you're going to be in demand.
I'm just warning you, you're going to be in demand.
No trouble.
Yeah, yeah.
Joe, we'll get on together and we will channel the grade.
Orville Cunningham in conjunction with our living legends, Harch and Chrome.
And, you know, I'm looking forward, greatly forward, to helping Ottawa University with their sports medicine program.
You bet.
You bet.
And the Pro Immune Immune Formulation 200, the Hyperbaric, even molecular hydrogen gas, which is, it's lights out.
It's a great sports medicine play.
You know, Ottawa is going to shine in front of everybody as the premier molecular
sports medicine place for all of its students.
Because of you too John, you know, your presence there is huge.
It's a beautiful thing that we're literally in how appropriate and fitting.
We're just down the road from Dr. Orville Cunningham's Kansas Pioneering.
So it's, we're coming back full circle.
Guys, thanks for listening.
This is John Jacobson here with Sean Torres on KOFO, on behalf of our sponsor, Dr. Edward Francis Fogarty III MD, and our colleague on assignment tonight, Dr. David Hartsuch MD, the Honorable Hartsuch former Iowa State Senator, and Consultant and Distributor for Dr. Albert B. Crum.
Joseph Casarino.
This is John Jacobson saying, be safe, be smart, be good, be strong, stay warm.
Love Jesus Christ, God blesses everyone, and God bless and protect President Donald J. Trump and our United States of America.
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