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The Jacobsen Group with Jon Jacobsen · Mon Jul 17, 2023
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Scott, a lot happens this week in the big 10.
Let's march to the trenches and talk about it with our
Bon Vivant Renaissance man, Chip Reidman.
Scotty, take it away.
Listen to that studio audience.
Almost like the golf gallery for Kate Clark this week out there at the John Deere, Scotty.
Well, I think a golf, I think a humor is like John Daly out
there.
You
know, just having a little fun and letting a few expletives fly now in
the end.
The Coca-Cola, the cigarette, the Big Mac,
beer and Hooters afterwards.
That's our John Daly.
Yep, absolutely.
But Chip Riemann, there's been a lot of things going on.
It's supposed to be the dog days of summer in July.
Nothing's happening, but.
This last week here in the Big 10 has been another major black eye for the conference and the perception wise with what happened at Northwestern with Pat Fitzgerald.
They're outgoing football coach as well as on Thursday night.
Northwestern had to fire their baseball coach as well for harassment and sexual misconduct things along those lines.
Chip, I am sick and tired as a Big 10 fan of Michigan State, Penn State and now Northwestern and all this garbage that's going
on there.
I think conference commissioner Tony Petiti has to lay down the law and start hitting these these programs in the pocketbooks.
I know he's answers to the presidents and chancellors but as commissioner he is the face of the conference and he has to say enough is enough.
Well you talk about walking into a firestorm.
This is not much different than when Warren came in and walked into the covid situation which unfortunately he didn't handle too well.
Yeah he made it worse.
Yeah, some of that maybe because he got bad advice from people which is true all across the governmental spectrum.
I think it's because he was a left-winger buying the Kool-Aid, but that's just me Chip.
Go ahead.
Yeah, no, no, you're not far off.
They're all valid points and now here he is and he's got this situation and I You know, we've been saying in Texas and one comment that I made is that we know one more school and now you've got a cancer going on.
Yeah, one excuse me one more program at Northwestern
having this and now you've got a camp outside the system and now you start looking at the administration, AD and on up.
I really wonder how many people knew about this.
How many other of the sports teams, did the men's basketball team, were they or were the players aware with it?
I know that in some schools there's a lot of exchange between the teams that they talk to each other.
I know Nebraska's trying to make a big deal about that.
with the players trying to get them more involved in the university, where maybe the women's volleyball team will go watch the men's basketball team.
The men's basketball team will go to the football games and just try to get things together.
How much did they know?
I think it's beyond what the coaches knew.
I just wonder how many of the people on the campus knew about it.
And is there more going on?
Is this just the tip of an iceberg?
And I hope it's not.
You know, John and Chip, I'd like to get both of your thoughts on this, too, because when some of those accusations were taking place, now ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips was the athletic director at Northwestern, and their media days are coming up here in a few days.
He has to be asked about what he knew as well, because this is disturbing, because this wasn't just a one-time incident, especially with the Northwestern football team.
Some of these accusations were going back as far as 2009.
I mean, that is outrageous.
And I find it very interesting that ESPN
A lot of their media personalities are graduates of Northwestern and they're being very quiet right now What did they know and did they not do they not bring attention because they did not want to give their their school black eye?
I think these questions have to be asked
Scott this is I'm gonna use the axiom of Barney five here nip it nip it in the bud Chip correctly alludes the fact that if more of this pops out and I would say
beyond if another sport in Northwestern would have a situation, hopefully not, that it would be a cancer.
I think if another program in the Big Ten has something like this surface, it's a cancer.
You juxtapose this against a background that already has the terrible black eyes of what happened at Michigan State with Nassar and at Penn State with Sandusky.
And you see what's going on.
in many of our institutions these last 30 or so years with this type of inappropriateness and it's got to be stopped.
And so I think Petiti does have a mandate at this juncture to lower the hammer, Scott.
You have said many times, there's a $7 billion contract on this.
I mean, you should be doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do.
But if you need to feel the heat in order to see the light, look at the budgetary monies that are at stake here.
Look at the reputational institutional risks.
And they got to get their arms wrapped around this, Scott.
Absolutely and Chip I like to get your thoughts on it too because I'm actually proposing that there needs to be some sort of bylaw for the conference that if a Program such as Northwestern's football team or basketball or baseball team is Proven that there are these allegations and things were going on I think they had to forfeit that TV contract for that sport for one year That's the only way we're gonna get this thing under control is if it hits these 80s and presidents and chancellors in the pocketbook
I agree with that Scott, but be careful.
It's a double-edged sword
Did you say one more program at Northwestern or another school has a problem?
I said if another school has a problem, then it rises the level of a cancer that almost looks systemic in the conference.
Well, okay, so here's the double-edged sword.
Yes, I agree with you.
You'll look what we did with SNU years ago.
They still haven't come back.
Right.
At least the football program hasn't.
Well, they never recovered since Hayden Frye left.
Yeah, well, you know, you gotta remember what happened with parents and the accusations of racism.
I mean, are you gonna include that in there?
I wouldn't, because the players came out in depositions and said there was nothing.
So I still don't understand what all that's about and why the university paid them off.
But here's the, that's the scary thing about it though.
You take Iowa's situation and they had what turned out to be bogus claims.
of issues.
Now it wasn't sexual, it was racism, but I think most people would probably say, you know, they're both bad.
It's just a matter of degrees.
So do you really, really want to say, you know, another problem and it comes out and the school gets some sort of a death penalty put on them?
Because I was sitting there on the edge being a Nebraska guy.
I don't know.
I mean, Albert has only got so much control.
He's a new guy there.
What if he finds out something was going on with Moose was, you know, the Apple heavy director.
Chip, those are great questions.
I would say that criminal indictment is your threshold there.
I really do.
And what was going on at Northwestern, I think was criminal indictment territory or it would not have resulted in the concomitant losses immediately of those coaching jobs.
But Scott, what's your thought?
Yeah, absolutely.
I think if there's that.
that level of threshold, I think that's what has to happen.
And I find it very interesting to chip.
I like to get your thoughts on this because right now
All the talk is, you know, we hear about sex trafficking.
We have these movies coming out highlighting it.
And then Northwestern's idea was, okay, last Friday, we're going to release a statement and that we're going to suspend Pat Fitzgerald for two weeks in the month of July during the dead period and sweep it under the rug.
But then it took a few whistleblowers and the tremendous reporting from the Northwestern student newspaper to basically create this
further on social media and other media outlets and actually bring about this pressure because had the president and athletic director had their way, Pat Fitzgerald would still be coaching Northwestern and we would have no idea how bad it really was going on there for such a long period of time.
Isn't
that crazy how that happens?
You can look at professional sports teams and the same thing happens.
Baseball has a problem with a picture.
you
know,
he's found cheating, putting something on the ball or something like that, or maybe saying something.
It always seems that it comes out that, yeah, he's, you know, out for five games or six games or something like that, but it ends up being the weakest part of the schedule, or there's no impact to the team.
And the week he comes back is when things all of a sudden get serious again.
In this case, we're Northwestern, he would have come back just in time for fall training, fall practices to start.
So I, there's just something so
phony about those kind of, you know, penalties that are put on coaches.
It just, it sounds, seems too convenient to me.
Hey, while we got Chip Raymond, we're going to change courses here just a little bit to the strains of my favorite Iowa fight song on Iowa.
I love that song.
No apologies to Meredith Wilson, who did the great job with the Iowa fight song.
We, we've got to talk about
I'm so frustrated with ESPN for a multitude of different reasons.
They got one thing right this week, though.
They properly awarded a well-deserved female college athlete of the year to Iowa's Miss Caitlyn Clark.
Even a blind pig, their ESPN, stumbled into an acorn with that correct call in giving proper due.
to Caitlin Clark, who had an Arnold Palmer equivalent gallery following her around at the John Deere Classic last week, Scotty.
You know, absolutely.
And I find it very interesting, too.
You know, we've talked at length on many programs about the Big Ten media deal.
It's no longer going to be on ESPN and Chip.
As a Big Ten fan, there's really no reason for me to ever watch ESPN.
And then I find it very interesting.
Bob Iger comes out on Thursday.
talking about how he might have to start selling off assets at ESPN.
I am glad that the Big Ten is no longer part of that worthless network,
but.
Disney is just tanking.
They put out movie clunker after movie clunker.
It is so sweet that the movie that Eduardo Barassige and Jim Caviesel put out, the sound of freedom, is doing so incredibly well.
Number one again this week.
in the theaters is over 50 million and Disney put out Indiana Jones with the marketing budget 450 million and 50 million in the first weekend they have put out clunker after clunker after clunker and it's so great because
You know what runs downhill, and ESPN's in trouble too.
It's part of that Disney conglomerate.
They've already been firing and laying off, and there might be a few more, Scotty.
Absolutely, and Chip is a Big Ten fan.
I'm glad to see him suffering over there, and as far as I'm concerned, the SEC and ESPN, they can just have their little partnership, and they can go into the night, and nobody cares about him anymore.
You know, it's interesting when you said earlier that they've been quiet, because you think a lot of them are Northwestern alums.
I don't know one way or the other.
But you would think that they would be jumping on it because they are SEC guys, an SEC network.
You think they'd be kind of jumping on it, reveling that the Big 10 has problems and we don't have them and na na na na.
So I'm kind of surprised that they are kind of quiet on it.
Hey, I got to jump in with something I heard this morning.
They kind of caught me by surprise.
I don't know if you heard, not too long ago, there was a
women's bicycle race and the women woman so-called woman with a guy trans guy that that won the race and They you know they showed one viral they'll look on the girl's face when he got the the first place trophy beater by minutes on the deal I just heard this morning.
There's a trans a guy as a woman that He is admitting that he's entering the races as a woman only to show
what a fraud it is allowing men to do it.
Apparently he's Christian.
He's fully aware of the example that he's setting, but he's doing it from the standpoint of, I want to show everyone what a fraud this whole thing is.
Men should not be doing it and doesn't want the award.
He just wants to prove the point is that men should not be in that sport.
Despite what now US soccer star Rapino has come out and said that he thinks that men should be competing in sports.
or should be allowed to compete on the women's soccer team, even though she's retiring after this World Cup.
How convenient, Megan.
What's your reaction on that?
It goes back to the idea of sometimes you explain things by exaggeration.
I think that's what this
This athlete is trying to do this this male athlete.
It certainly is a novel approach to highlighting what he believes is a necessary bifurcation between men's and women's sports.
I mean The whole idea title nine was created was to recognize the necessity for women's sports as as
being separate and and necessarily so because of the requisite strengths that the that the folks have with respect to the different athletic venues We have an LPGA.
I love watching LPGA golf in many ways The the short games are spectacular on the women's tour
even as compared with some of the finesse that the men have around the greens.
You see that in basketball.
I love some of the differences of the game.
Sometimes I think the NBA Scott is too much elbows and is becoming a contact sport.
And the women's game, even going back the Iowa six on six, there was always an artful elegance to that that the men never could have.
And I've always said that
Equality of opportunity does not have to translate into sameness of function.
And I think men's and women's athletics being bifurcated allows the genders to bring out the uniqueness of their talents that are complimented by but are not identical to those of the other gender.
You know, absolutely, John.
And I think it's a sad state of our society right now where we're actually having to have these arguments and these discussions because what is going on that we're having to say, well, if you're a biological male, you cannot be playing with women's sports.
And we're seeing, you know, people like
Riley, I believe, is her last name.
She's been all across the country talking about what happened.
Riley Gaines.
Riley Gaines, yes, with swimming and things along those lines.
And so it's going to be one of those conversations that we have to keep having because
I don't know what the end goal is, but I don't like it.
Well, you know, Iowa does it right.
Iowa is a wrestling state, you know, Scott.
We're not having our male and female wrestlers wrestle off against each other in state tournaments.
There should be women's wrestling like women's hockey.
I was an innovator in Omaha and bringing women's hockey to Omaha.
That's a long story, but I was involved in that process.
But
The women and the men did not want to play together for hockey.
In wrestling in Iowa, they're not clamoring to compete together, but the women want to wrestle and there's a carve out that they have a separate women's division.
It has worked so well in Iowa that other states should perhaps emulate the Iowa way with wrestling.
Chip, I'd like to get your final thoughts on it as we come to the end of the segment on this, but this is a conversation that I would have been shocked if somebody said four years ago we'd be having today.
It's just unbelievable how far things have gone.
Yeah, it is kind of staggering.
Who would imagine in 2000 we'd be talking about this?
Thorian Nebraska, just in the mix, they also have a women's wrestling division.
And so they've kind of followed I was the lead on that, which is good for them, good for that they can wrestle.
uh, given their opportunity.
But, um, yeah, I knew who would know when everyone saw this coming.
First was the women, they tried to get things done for them, all noble, all good, and they just moved on to another topic, and here's where we are today.
It is.
Well, we'll have Chip back coming up.
Tom Selene will talk to us a little bit about Huskers and Blue Jays.
I know Chip will want in on that action next week, so we'll give him some equal time, too.
Chip Reid and the ladies and gentlemen of the studio audience applauding again.
What a show today, our cavalcade of guests.
on the Jacobson group with Scott Corey and Mike Shane in studio with that beautiful ringtone.
Take us to break with that ringtone, Mike.
It means serious business is on the other side of this.
Thanks, Chip.
Farewell, my friend.
Well Scott as this 50,000 watts of clear channel carams across all of our big 10 states a huge week not all good news on the big 10 front a hazing
scandal Scott, you know, absolutely John and we're joined in studio by the
great Tom Salin great Sportscaster over here at Boomer and bluffs country
Yep, absolutely and you know Tom and John, you know, this was a shocking week yet
You hate to say that in this way, but if there was a hazing issue, Northwestern would have been way, way, way down on the totem pole of something like this happening.
But not only do we have a hazing issue in the football team for almost 20 years, but then on Thursday evening, they fired their baseball coach too
for
accusations of hazing and inappropriate comments and things along those lines.
What is going on in the Big 10 right now?
Because unfortunately, this Northwestern issue will be dominating Big 10 media days that will be taking place here shortly in Indianapolis.
But there's also going to be questions, Tom and John, about the current ACC commissioner, Jim Phillips, who was athletic director at Northwestern when some of this stuff was going on in the football team.
I mean, this is just a messy, messy situation.
And I think Northwestern needs a hard reset.
They need to fire everybody.
Absolutely.
You fire them all.
Speaking of Jim Phillips and I'm not totally sure what's gonna happen to him But if something does happen to him it would remind me of what happened to Les Miles back at his time at LSU apparently he was involved in some sexual harassment stuff there and this this was during when Les Miles was like that that came out when he was at Kansas like he was long gone from LSU at the time, but KU still fired him and they still said
You can't be here anymore even though that stuff didn't happen here
and you know John
and Tom you know reading some of the the transcripts that took place this was an ongoing issue and the problem that I have with Northwestern is with their president and their athletic director because when this was announced last Friday it was just going to be a two-week suspension in July they knew the accusations but it took the Northwestern student newspaper to bring this out there and basically create a fervor on social media as well as the national media and show how bad it was I mean
Some of this could almost be considered a sexual assault in a lot of cases from what I was reading.
Yeah, it was not good yet.
Players dimming the lights, wearing purge-like masks in the locker room and sexually abusing some of the freshmen.
It's just...
Disgusting
yeah, and there should be lawsuits and and I think there should be criminal charges if they can find out who some of these people were John I
mean well and and Scott we're joined here again that rich baritone here is a belongs to Tom saline the sports director at Boomer and Bluffs country radio out of the Omaha Metro from big red country Mike Shane the magnificent engineer at the controls the problem is you still got the lingering
bad vibe to say the least from what happened at Michigan State and Penn State.
That's still not out of my memory.
You know, absolutely.
And, you know, Tom, you know, a few of us have been talking the last week and as a Hawkeye fan.
I'm looking at the conference is taking so many black eyes with it with Nassar up there at Michigan
State,
you know, and then you had the Penn State
in the Jerry Sandusky.
Of course, Nassar back in the news because he was stabbed in prison.
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a shame.
That's a shame too bad.
You didn't find a fall down a stairway into a woodchipper or something like that for what he was doing.
But at the same time.
This is going to be a crucial moment for incoming or current Big Ten Commissioner Tony Petiti.
He has to lay down the law and there has to be some soul searching amongst these presidents and chancellors and athletic directors saying this has to stop.
We are a $7 billion media contract right now.
We cannot afford to have this kind of stuff going on.
It's sickening, Tom.
Yeah, like you
said, lay down the law, make it clear what the rules are, make it clear that hazing is not OK.
have fun college is supposed to be a time for good fun and good times but yeah sexual abuse like that
that goes way too far.
That's not okay.
And, you know, John, you and I have talked off during the week, too.
I think there needs to be serious conversations that if a program such as Northwestern's football team or baseball team get hit with accusations as well as it's being confirmed and everything, I think that that program and that team has to forfeit its revenue from the Big Ten conference.
You know, that's the only way we're going to send a strong message is you got to hit these guys in the pocketbook.
It hurts.
People often
see the light when they feel the heat.
And yeah, it's too big of a conference with too great of tradition and too much money on the line now not to use best practices in the 21st century.
A lot of our listeners while we've got Tom, our Western neighbor in the Big 10.
uh, is the Nebraska corn huskers and, uh, whether it's been, uh, Roger Craig or, or Larry station and the recruiting wars over the years and whatnot, there's a slight give and take some locker room towel snapping, not at the level of hazing.
Nope.
Between Nebraska and Iowa, but a lot of our folks want to know, Tom, you've got a good read on the Husker program.
New coach Matt rule.
He's built and stocked the pond full of.
Fish or these big fish that could compete in a big pond.
Yes He's really picked up the in-state recruiting as of late.
He's locked down that Bellevue West true yet Danny Kalen who the Bellevue West quarterback who flipped from the zoo to Nebraska as well as he's joined by a couple of his receivers Isaiah McMorris and I think it's a day Davon something I get the name of the other receiver, but
But if you look in Bellevue, you should know who I'm talking
about.
And that had not been a strength under the last couple of regimes, getting those in state Omaha recruits to stay home.
Yeah.
Harrison Phillips.
He was he was a while ago, class of 2014, but he went to Stanford out of Millard West and he was a ball player at Stanford.
And now he's in the NFL.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was incredibly talented.
I.
I like to brag that my high school, this was my junior, his senior year, we ended his high school career
in the
state semifinals.
Here with Tom Salih.
Tom, give us a pick in the Big Ten West.
This is the last year we've got divisions, but where are the Huskers going to end up?
Do you see them over 500?
Do you see them getting to a bowl game?
I do not.
I think they, first year coaches, they tend to struggle a bit in their first years.
So I think they
I think they make it a game under 500.
I'll say 4th or 5th place in the division.
But yeah, we'll see what happens because in this era of NIL and transfer portal, it's so unpredictable.
Everything is just...
Yeah, just like I said, very unpredictable.
So yeah, I could be completely wrong.
So
Husker volleyball, those we've got several Husker volleyball women that are getting NIL.
They're on cameo.
They're getting NIL.
That program in women's volleyball is just amazing.
And the outdoor stadium event is going to be quite spectacular.
It's going
to be surreal.
Yeah, the Huskers will play UNO on August 30th.
I think it's going to be a night game.
Yeah, it's going to be.
Yeah.
volleyball under the lights
in front
of over 80,000 people.
I'm saying any better than that.
Yeah, you
can't.
That tops Olympic venues.
Yes.
Now, Tom, you know, Nebraska is very proud of their sellout streak.
Does that volleyball sellout streak also help promote the big their football sellout streak because we know that's kind of a phantom streak, especially on Twitter.
We
see a lot of seats,
especially the Mike, Mike Riley years that was kind of dismal around there.
But
You know, it's very interesting, Tom.
Who do you think's gonna win the Big Ten West?
Ooh.
I would put my money on... I think Minnesota.
Really?
Interesting.
Interesting.
And who do you think is gonna come out of the East this year?
Buckeyes.
Buckeyes.
Okay,
there you go.
One final outro question for Tom here.
Tom, you're a Creighton alum and we tease the Jays on this program because we are Hawkeyes here as well here out in KXEL land.
Tom, how are the Jays going to be this year?
They lost some folks and they retained some folks and gained some folks during portal season.
What does it look like coming off that great season last year?
I think this year's team will be
Even better than last year's last.
Oh, you heard it from yes, you heard it from
mr. Selene here Yeah, I know losing them hard was hard at first But then they got Steven Ashworth the transfer from Utah State who I think will be even better than them I think them hard's a good player and he's gonna be good at Gonzaga, but
Ashworth is a better shooter.
He was one of the best shooters in the country last year.
He hit 111 three-pointers at Utah State last year in a single season.
If he had been wearing a Creighton uniform last year
111 three pointers in a single season.
That would have been second all time in program history.
Only trailing Kyle Korver.
So Tom, does that mean if Caitlin Clark takes on the entire Creighton team?
It would be a close game.
Yeah, she usually does a hundred.
Could they bring her in for Fran for that one off game with the Huskers in is it November and Omaha
Tommy?
Absolutely.
You know, it's going to be great.
You know, Iowa is coming to the CHI to take on.
I believe in December, you know November or November
November.
I think
it's
1415
okay
in November
and then what were the chances of Creighton actually scheduling Caitlyn Clark and at least the booters team because Caitlyn's got a little bit of a chip on her shoulder because she remembers what
Creighton did to them in Iowa City.
Yeah,
you're talking women's the Creighton and I will play each other in men's basketball
No, that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying what would the odds be if Lisa Bluter took on McDermott?
I'm thinking McDermott would Caitlin Clark would probably take him out.
I think
old, Max
and old man, but guys here, here with Tom Seline.
Tom will rotate in periodically here.
It's great to do some smack talking here between the black and gold Hawkeyes in their pseudo Nemesis from Lincoln and from Blue J. Bill there on the hilltop and Omaha.
Tom Seline, you can listen to him all day long when you're in Western Iowa on the boomer radio network and on
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Jennifer Bowen, J-Bow, the matriarch of Iowa, Iowa's right to life movement, the longtime head, formerly of Iowa Right to Life, and Jennifer Bowen, just a true grit, I think so with this girl.
Fighting valiantly against age for cancer and praise be to God in remission right now and she has been deep in the fight Jennifer We have a the reinstatement of a fetal heartbeat bill in Iowa similar the one Nearly identical the one I voted in
in 2018, and I guess we showed Justice Waterman that it wasn't a hypothetical bill we passed in 2018, nor is it a hypothetical bill that was passed by the legislature this week.
Well, of course, it's never hypothetical when we're talking about living, breathing, unborn babies.
Saving them is never hypothetical.
Exactly.
Jen, what's your take on the week?
perhaps not ideal, but at least we did after getting sacked for a loss by some interventions by the court.
We're back up now to the line of scrimmage.
And I think this time, my personal opinion, based on my legal background is that this bill absolutely will stick.
You know, the Democrats are
you know, I'm sure forum shopping for a friendly judge to put a temporary injunction on.
I believe it's only going to be temporary.
I believe that laws on all fours with dobs and with what the recent Iowa Supreme Court has done.
I really believe that Iowa Supreme Court is going to uphold this ultimately, seven to zero, six to one, five to two at the worst.
What's your take on the week, Jennifer?
Do you consider it a win?
And where do we need to go from here?
Well, I absolutely do consider it a win in the long run for sure.
Like I said, hypothetically, it is always, not even hypothetically, it's always the right time to save as many babies as we can with the mindset that we are in this to end all abortion.
So with that being said, the bill did pass.
late Tuesday night is planned.
No surprises, no push for any other sort of a legislation.
So as the bill stands now, it will save babies after a physician determines it detects a heartbeat.
And it does allow for the exceptions for rape, incest, fetal anomaly, or a physician deeming a baby incompatible with life.
So we obviously disagree with those exceptions.
And of course, you know, if there's the situation where the mother's life is at risk and of course that that should be in there.
So overall, I'm very happy that they have finally, after all of these years, done something.
It's very encouraging to hear people like John and their expertise saying that, you know, for the first time in a very long time, we will have
pro-life legislation that's going to ban many abortions, and it's going to legally stick.
And that is our open prayer that we don't end up, you know, back in a five-year prolonged fight and end up using the legislation in the long run.
So overall, yes, I'm very pleased.
In the meantime, until this does wrap up in the court, we will continue to be in an abortion sanctuary state.
Babies will continue to die until the bill passes its muster and it stands.
So as it is right now, babies are still dying and will, but Lord willing, this legislation will put an end to a great number of those.
I do have one concern that's been weighing very heavily on my heart since the bill passed late Tuesday night.
Um, it is a bill that is set to take effect immediately.
And what really, uh, I've been left upon there and pray about a lot is why the bill couldn't be signed Tuesday night.
And, and maybe, you know, the injunction would have happened Wednesday morning or whatever, but we could have been saving lives immediately.
I agree with you, Jennifer.
I agree with you.
And another concern I have is that.
That that's horrid Iowa Board of Medicine the medical board who we have Continuously highlighted on this program for bad behavior during the whole COVID situation They're in charge of the rules Writing the rules that that goes along with this legislation and they've got a former cheerleader for Planned Parenthood as the executive director of the Iowa Board of Medicine Jennifer I don't know how in hell that crazy stuff happens
Well, it's interesting because, yes, we do have a board of medicine that is appointed solely by Governor Reynolds, and somehow this board was set up that they would hire as their executive director, not just a cheerleader for Planned Parenthood, but a former district manager, as well as he was working in pro-abortion Governor Chester Culver's
It's
unbelievable.
It's just absolutely mind-numbingly incredibly brain-dead, Scott Corey.
It is.
And I think there will be some steps, if need be, that the legislature can maybe rein in and tighten up some of the language that the Board of Medicine tries.
But we'd be remiss, too.
for 40 years, you know, the pro life movement has been waiting for this moment, especially in the state of Iowa.
And then it all came last year with the Dobbs decision, John.
And I would just remind our listeners to this special session was not a slam
dunk.
It took you knew it, Scott, you had a lot of insight Intel on this.
This was
This was a big deal that we got to this point.
I don't know how, Nitty, you want to go into the gritty, but give us a little bit of a background portraiture on this, at least.
Yeah, and so, you know, from my sources around the state, it took some pressure from some folks and some ongoing conversations with Governor Reynolds to call for the special session.
In the Iowa House, we actually had an assistant leader, Brent Seegress at Council Blouse, as well as Steve Holt from Denison, who is the chairman of the judiciary committee.
They were publicly stating that they did not want to have a special session.
And so those, I believe, interviews were in the Cedar Rapids Gazette here about two weeks ago.
And so to have Governor Reynolds do this was a huge step.
And I would also give a lot of credit to both houses or both chambers, as I should say.
They handled this about as best as they could under the circumstances.
There were demonic people chanting and screaming against them right up to the final Senate vote late
near midnight.
One thing I would disagree a little bit on the tactician side of it, especially in both chambers, is I would have liked to have seen Republicans refuting more of the talking points that the Democrat legislators were using.
I get why leadership did not really want to get bogged down in that.
But at the same time that was a perfect opportunity to start doing that but and
and to ensconce the intent in legislative history if the court were to go to the floor debates to Look for some further ideas on the legislative intent in history opportunity missed in both chambers I think I
would agree with that but that being said president of the Senate Amy Sinclair did a tremendous job I thought handling that as well as
very moving comments in her final point of
procedure at the end of the night, an eloquent close, almost a post script, but powerful.
Absolutely.
And especially Shannon Lundgren in the Iowa House did a tremendous job as well.
So is it perfect?
No, but it's a good, I use the analogy, we got a touchdown.
Now it's to come back and we have to get another touchdown in January.
Jennifer, I want to get your take.
I listened intently to the debate.
Particularly in the house because I'm a former house member and I want to get Scott's thoughts on this too here Jennifer the Democrats on the house every single one not one not one voted pro-life on this not one Democrat but basically part of their arguments in multiple cases on the floor
we're arguing for abortion as a backup for if birth control doesn't work.
I thought we were long past that cavalier attitude toward life.
There is a cruelty and a callousness of multiple of the Democrats getting up there and saying, well, hey, we need it in case they forget to take the birth control or as an alternative, you know, in case the birth control fails.
That to me utterly shows no
Moral progression on their part in this argument going back now 50 years.
So I have a couple of thoughts on that I fully agree with a point that you've made previously John about Tuesday and the lack of actual debate This is something that has just driven me crazy Particularly in the house for at least a decade where Republicans sit
and they keep their mouths shut and they let the Democrats just run away with the quote unquote debate because they know all they're there is to push the button at the end and vote yes.
But what ends up happening is not only is the legal intent all that kind of stuff doesn't get into the record verbally in debate and these Democrats if they're good at anything I think of
Senator Janet Peterson and some others in the House, they're eloquent in their talking points.
And so all this does is it lets them run away with the media as well.
And so I think it's a real something that they really need to consider stopping because now you have four hours plus of endless Democrat, which should be shameful, what they're saying.
But they just run away with the narrative.
And I think the other side of that is it's so chilling when you listen to the debate.
and why they need it, because women are too stupid to remember to take their birth control every day.
And so they might end up pregnant, and now we don't have our, quote, birth control to end an unborn baby's life, who is the natural outcome of behavior.
And now we have this chilling, on record, pro-abortion movement that isn't content any longer.
safe, legal, rare, out the window.
Now it's on demand and without apology, even if that means snuffing out the life of an unborn child.
And that is just killing.
I think last summer, right after the Dobbs decision was upheld by the Supreme Court majority, within a month or so, they were reporting that there had been a nine
100% increase in men seeking vast activities, which is stunning.
You think about how many men went out and did that to themselves because they were counting on abortion being their fail-safe to get them out of undesired fatherhood.
I mean, it's just it's just so killing where we're at right now.
Well, and Jen Bowen, we so appreciate you joining us again today.
I know you've got a big appointment coming up here.
I'm just going to close with this.
In listening to the debate, I have a wall of shame.
And some of these are Eastern Iowa legislators.
You can sit with me to listen to some of these appalling, shameful, intellectually vacuous arguments.
But my haul of shame during the House debate includes Democrat representatives.
John Forbes.
Reps of Kroken Reps of Amos right up there in the Waterloo area Reps of Levin from Iowa City Reps of Buck from Polk Reps of Dave Jacoby good grief I went to grade school with that guy He should know better from Eastern Iowa there Reps of Wilburne formerly from Iowa City
Rebs of gains Rebs of journey right from where I grew up there in that Marion Hiawatha area Cresig just you know, just at you know bad terrible Stupid remarks there out of the Waterloo area Rebs of cooling Serenivas from Des Moines.
I certainly wouldn't want her as my physician Madison thrown Garriott in the Senate
wall of shame guys uh scottie they need to be scrutinized because uh the intellectually vacuous arguments the the irrationality and the misapplication of science and uh uh logic it's just it was almost mind-numbing to me to listen to that tripe
It sure was, John.
And I think too, the question has to be asked about the legislators that did not show up to vote as well
in the special
session.
I do know for a fact, I had it confirmed.
I'm actually good friends with his family.
State Senator Kevin Alonze was actually in Japan on a military assignment, so he could not make
it back.
That's very legitimate.
He served the country in uniform halfway across the world.
Yep.
But the other ones, I think they need to be asked, why were you not at the special session, including Democrat representative
Shulton and Turac, both of Sioux City and Council Bluffs.
Yeah, those two need to be on the proverbial griddle, so to speak.
Jen Bowen, we'll have you back next week.
Thanks so much for joining us.
A solid win.
We move on from here.
Thanks, Jen, for joining us.
Thank you, John.
Thank you, Scott.
Scott, we got two Titans in the medical industry on our Newsmaker line.
Again, returning this.
show Dr. Ted Fogarty, well known in the Omaha and Ogallala, Nebraska, North Dakota community with his excellent medical practices.
And then Dr. David Hartstarch, former Iowa State Senator Honorable Dave, as we call him from the Quad Cities.
These guys were our most effective.
COVID treatment docs in Iowa saved many, many lives.
Welcome back to the show.
Hartsuch and Fogarty.
Let's start out with Doc.
Let's start out with Doc Hartsuch.
Doc, give us an update this week.
You've got that great case going on against the Iowa Board of Medicine.
What else on the legal terrain has peaked your interest this week?
Well,
I think it was interesting that a district court judge at the federal level
enjoying the Biden administration from talking with social media platforms in order to censor our information about COVID or election information, etc.
And I think this is very good for my case because it signals which way the wind is blowing on a national scale.
Doc,
I think you're right because what you said has all been vindicated.
The science is now out.
The studies, the empirical data is out.
Everything that you said has come true, which is probably why you saved almost all your patients with your great protocols.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the Iowa Board of Medicines continue to censor doctors and that's got to
stop.
It's an outrage and it does have to stop.
Dr. Ted Fogarty, working our way from the Mississippi River to the Missouri River.
Talk about what's going on nationwide.
Well, I also want
to dovetail right out of the censorship ship of doctors to the
the media that guy today and and what's going on with uh... all sorts of major social problems
bingo
being uh... problematic problem at least answered yes you know we have we have this at the documentary that just came out it's called sound of freedom and it took six years it took six years to get this documentary regarding child trafficking from from the production phase and and and into the distribution phase
And now we have movie theaters around America where there's been some problematic showings even where, according to some in various locations, there was, you know, attempts with, you know, shutting off air conditioning systems and theaters so that people couldn't see this movie.
Emergency evacuations, the screen going blank for 30 minutes.
I mean, you can't make this stuff up, Dr. Ted Fogarty.
Right.
and and i mean if you look at this and and then and then the national media is is going on
all over the place.
I mean, it's literally the pundits are saying, oh, there's no child trafficking problem in America.
And that this is this is all an exaggeration.
And this has already occurred, John.
Well, you're right, Doc.
Doc, they're saying this is QAnon.
But the fact is that the drama, the dramatic movie that stars Jim Cavizel, that Jim Cavizel and Eduardo Verasighi were involved, the production of it, two great actors, of course.
And, you know, it's based on Agent Ballard, a federal agent who was rescuing these child traffic children of recent years and who was originally lauded and
given a hero's background in major mainstream media outlets as recently as five to ten years ago.
Now all of a sudden the media is freaking out and they're freaking out because this movie was number one again this week and beat Indiana Jones on the 4th of July and on a
and only $15 million budget well past $50 million in revenues.
This is the summer hit and it's freaking out the left big time because frankly there is widespread human child sex trafficking worldwide including in the Americas and including at our southern border.
No, John, it's even closer to home, okay?
In the late 1980s and early 1990s, there was a documentary that came out that was, again, similar situation.
It took quite a while to get this documentary put together.
It was called Conspiracy of Thailand and a BBC production
team was part of this whole thing, and it was supposed to be a one-hour documentary that was supposed to come out on the Discovery Channel, and it was cut last minute, literally within a 24-hour window when it was supposed to air in the mid-1990s.
It was cut, but it was
It was a documentary regarding the entire Franklin scandal from mainly a state legislator's perspective, John DeKamp, who, and there's some ties with this whole Franklin scandal case and Des Moines between Omaha and Des Moines and Lincoln that goes, that runs through the whole Johnny Gotch story.
I
mean, everybody grew up in the 80s in Iowa, Nebraska.
Remember seeing milk cartons with Johnny Gotch on it.
Like we're trying to find our son.
And so,
The cover-ups that go literally to the tops of state government and the federal government regarding child trafficking, they're not all live.
And that's the point of this documentary too.
It's like, this is an American problem.
It's not just at the border, and it's literally in
people's neighborhoods, people's cities and towns.
And Nick Bryant wrote an amazing 250-page book on the Franklin scandal.
I encourage everyone who is going to go see this documentary that's running through the theaters now.
I would also encourage everyone in the Midwest, especially within earshot of us, to buy Nick Bryant's book on the Franklin scandal because it's an eye-opener as to how
how much corruption exists in our own Midwest, nice, burbs and hamlets and cities and even legislatures.
Here with Dr. Ted Fogarty, Dr. David Hartsuch, as we wind the segment up, this is a great one-two punch today, two huge issues.
And they all involve our justice system.
And whether we have a two-tiered system, whether we have special treatment for some and not to others,
It's sad to see the White House become a crack house.
But Dr. Hart, such this case of yours is pivotal.
You're trying to get the Iowa Board of Medicine to allow physicians to cure people effectively and efficaciously as you have been doing.
And yet you're being thwarted and
the protocols that were not effective were still being allowed and not intervened upon by this Board of Medicine.
What's it going to take to free you folks up, you courageous physicians of conscience?
You know, John, I remember when I was in the legislature, I remember a memory charted meal saying to me,
please advocate for me because I can't do it myself.
And I think we as a society have to realize, as Martin Luther King said, injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.
And we have to be advocating for the least, the most vulnerable, those least that are politically enfranchised in order for us to overcome the problems of our society.
And the trial trafficking, those children,
we have got to advocate for them.
Well guys, this is a great lead in part one.
We're going to do part two with these two gentlemen on one of our sister's stations.
You're on KXEL right now, but next Tuesday at five on the KCRO network.
That's another Claire channel, 660 AM, and that is
going to be where we have these two doctors on again, Scott, to further delve into this issue.
Great segment, guys.
How can they get ahold of each of you?
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Alright guys, Dr. David Hart, such Dr. Ted Fogarty, part two with them next Tuesday at five on KCRO.
Thanks for joining us again, gentlemen.
Great segment.
Scotty, I love it whenever I come back home to see mom there in Marion, driving by Southwest Cedar Rapids.
I always
Take a drive through the Hames Homes neighborhoods there.
3,000 people living in those two beautiful communities of safe, lovely, affordable, pristine homes.
They're not far from the eastern Iowa airport, right down there in southwest CR.
These people have the most wonderful communities in Barbara Hames Bryant, the matriarch.
of the intergenerational family business started by her late great-father and mother, the legendary Kurt and Norma Hames, continues on with this absolute civic-minded thrust of not just, as we said, safe, affordable, lovely homes, but with a community spirit, everything from food pantries to recreation
areas, their dog parks, Frisbee Golf, private security, vetting of the people for admission to these communities.
It's just a magnificent thing.
It's really one of its kind and right now is the time to get into one of these great neighborhoods and purchase
one of these great homes.
You know, absolutely, John.
And you know, one of the things I like to do before we go on the air is to take a look at their website at hamshomes.com and that's hamshomes.com.
It tells you everything that's going on in that community.
There is so much going on there.
It really is a small town right next to a big city because like you said, it is the it's almost like a Mayberry type situation there where everybody knows their neighbors.
Everybody's out there looking out for one another, but they have that the amenities of a large city.
right there as well and they have so many great options if you go to that website at HamesHomes.com that you can kind of pick and choose what you're looking for and once you make that decision they have their own in-house financing as well and you can't beat that today especially with this uncertain markets John.
Exactly Scott I want you all to go to 5410 Wabash Street Southwest and Cedar Rapids.
They're at the corner of Wilson Avenue and West Point Road and you can call them
if you can't drive there.
Give them a call at 319-377-4863 and go online to hamshomes.com.
H-A-M-E-S H-O-M-E-S dot com.
Thanks Barbara.
We'll look forward to a live interview with Barbara next week.
Well Scott, it was another tremendous show today from the special session in Iowa.
to what we hope is a special big 10 season.
for our gridiron Hawkeyes coming up in just weeks
now.
Absolutely.
We're 49 days until kickoff at Kinnick Stadium.
And you know, the Big 12 just had their media days down there in Dallas at the Jerry World Dome there.
And Matt Campbell seems to be very confident about his, his cyclones moving forward.
So we're going to see how this all shakes out.
This is the best time of year as we get moving on because you can talk a lot of smack and everybody's records are O and O right now.
So we're all tied for first.
place, John.
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