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The Jacobsen Group with Jon Jacobsen · Mon Dec 26, 2022
Hello, this is John Jacobson, and welcome to this podcast of The Jacobson Group.
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Let's roll Scott I've got an on-site report.
I was out there and
meeting with the great Barbara Hames Bryant at their beautiful ranch office building situated right in the center of their absolutely beautiful neighborhoods.
They're manufactured homes neighborhoods that Hames Homes has there in Southwest Cedar Rapids.
Both before and after my visit to the offices there Scotty, I just drove through the neighborhoods.
You know, these homes are aesthetic.
They're beautiful.
They're very sturdy.
What impressed me, Scott, the landscaping was absolutely impeccable.
It was manicured.
Christmas lights on all the homes, flagpoles sporting old glory in the front yard, city lights.
And it was just not one, but two of these great communities.
I'd be proud to live there if I ever go back home and live next to mom.
I would take a serious look at that.
It was awesome, Scott.
Boy, the way you're describing it almost sounds like it's Norman Rockwell painting and John Ford and Steven Spielberg would be impressed by the way you're describing the whole situation there.
Barbara, how impressed are you with how John did that for you?
It's a calendar.
Oh, I'm so happy John finally got to come see our neighborhoods.
I've been describing them for months, but he actually got to see them, see for himself that I wasn't really bragging.
These are lovely, livable, friendly neighborhoods that we've been working on for 30 years, day by day, inch by inch.
We've been making them the most livable neighborhoods in Iowa.
They're literally beautiful.
Of course, I was so used for so many years
of the Hames location up there where Marion meets Cedar Rapids and Hiawatha not too far away.
Remembering visiting with the Great Curt Hames up there.
And boy, Barbara Southwest Cedar Rapids is really undergoing tremendous growth, but you've done a great job with your zoning there.
You've got a country setting.
It's just beautiful.
It really is.
We like to say you're living in the country with all the amenities of living in the city.
We're just minutes away from the Eastern Iowa Airport, from the Amanda Colonies and Whirlpool, just a few minutes away from Kirkwood Community College, from CRST Trucking.
and from the Westdale shops and restaurants.
That's the thing.
Westdale Mall is right there.
I had a little time arriving early.
I got to stop in a Menards and check out a few things that I needed to follow up on.
It's just, it's really, really just a wonderful place, Scott.
And the infrastructure is all modern.
And Barbara, I can tell
These are families that live in these communities.
I mean, you see swing sets.
You've got your parks set up there recreationally for the kids.
You've got a food pantry.
You've got a lot of green space.
It's wonderful.
It's definitely an all-age neighborhood.
Not only do we have parks and playgrounds for the kids, we also have a dog park for the four-legged friends.
And we also have senior activities.
Our seniors do bingo and cards at the Summit View.
community room every week.
People just love living here.
It's a lifestyle.
It really is living in a planned managed community.
It's not for everybody.
Some people want that bigger yard.
Some people need to live out in the country.
But for the folks that live here, they're very satisfied.
Thanks for coming out yesterday, John.
I know the drive was a hassle, but I really appreciate you coming out.
It means the world to me.
Tell us how, if we want to take a tour, is there a website we can go to or a phone number we can call to set up a tour to see what's going on in your neighborhoods?
Our website is www.hameshomes.com.
That's H-A-M-E-S-H-O-M-E-S dot com.
You can view all of our beautiful homes, our lovely neighborhoods, and also get in touch with a salesperson who'd be happy to show you around.
It's
always good to see you, Barbara.
My mom gives her best to you, too.
She was excited that I got out there.
Oh, please tell her I said hi.
I will.
She's doing well, and she gives her best.
Barbara, we'll catch you next week.
Thanks so much for being on again, our Jacobson Group program on KXEL, the blowtorch of Eastern Iowa.
And thanks for joining us here on KXEL as we pick up part three of the Kennedy assassinations and the impact and influence that Iowa's had during that time.
What about Laura?
What do you think from your vantage point?
You know, this war has been going on forever.
The left wanting to blame the right for the shooting.
The right wanting to blame the left.
I think many are comfortable with at least on this program here with Oswald being the
the sole shooter.
It's interesting.
Even those that claim that there was another shooter on the grassy, grassy knoll say that that bullet missed.
So basically the the ballistics, it was Oswald's rifle.
Laura, do you think there's any more there, there, beyond Oswald doing the shot?
The shots?
My father always drew a distinction between the Warren Commission finding that Oswald was the lone gunman, which is absolute fact.
possibility of a conspiracy.
It's hard to prove that nobody influenced Oswald along the way.
I believe, by the way, that LBJ always thought that the Cubans were involved somehow in the assassination.
But one fact that my father's main area of work on the Warren Commission was the gunman.
But he was familiar enough with the other evidence collected.
And one thing that was interesting was that Oswald, while he was being interrogated,
He told the truth about a lot of things that were inconsequential and lied about everything that was related to the assassination.
So he lied about owning the gun.
He lied about using the alias A.J.
Hiddell and so on.
And he did lie about his recent trip to Mexico City.
So it is possible that he had conversations with somebody in Mexico City.
And I know that Gerald Posner in his book, Case Closed, and also Philip Sheenan's book, A Cruel and Shocking Act,
they go into a lot of what could have happened in mexico city but the bottom line is that a conspiracy has never been proven and by the way if it was a mafia hit the last person the mafia would hire as a hit man would be somebody as unstable as jack ruby who was also a blabbermouth who hung around with cops and journalists it definitely was not a mob hit although i do understand why many people jump to that conclusion
Patrick Knapp, Coach Knapp, what say you?
I'm curious to get your take on this.
Well, I dare rebut the experts who are on the show.
I'm not a big believer in government.
I do believe that Oswald did it.
I do believe that he shot the rifle, that shot the shots and made the hits.
But you know, we grew up in the 60s, John, at least I did.
Yep, me too.
The whole tenor of that time was things are not, and this came from the protests of the Vietnam War.
Things are not as they seem,
they
can tell us.
Do not trust the government.
And that came out to be true when it came to the Vietnam War
and
the perpetuation of that war.
It leaves a lot of questions and I won't make any comment about what it means for today because we're doing a show on the Kennedy assassination.
But that's the era we grew up in.
That's the era we grew up in.
Yeah, great comments, coach.
Brian Douglas, what say you?
What did your dad think?
You know, were there any
Was everybody supportive of the Warren Commission report?
Do you still have questions in your mind, Brian?
You've covered so many great world events, and you've been in some real enormous security labyrinths.
I mean, these FIFA World Cup things are incredible.
What say you, Brian Douglas?
I think Laura Bruce have hit it right on the head.
No, this was, and I was, I had my doubts at the time.
But, you know, it just parks back to you.
I mean, imagine that, you know, 90 minutes later, Oswald's arrested in the movie theater.
You know, it was sort of, and then traipse through the hallway.
I mean, you don't even see, you don't even see, you would never even see a person who accused of such a thing being out in the public.
Now, my father believed...
My father believed in the law and commissions findings.
I think, listen, how could, if there was a conspiracy, how could it never have gone on?
It's impossible.
You know, there's no way that somebody would, oh yes, it added something to it.
So I think the government did a tremendous job.
It just, you know, we've sort of alluded to it.
America lost in innocence that day.
And it was circumstantial in so many, so many
in so many areas.
But no, I think the war on conditions did a tremendous job.
And I think we've gotten to the bottom of it.
I think it was a lone shooter.
And again, I'm sure he was a very disturbed individual.
And while we've talked about possible rationale of a Cuban Russia, the whole thing fell into place.
I mean, here's this guy who
who moves to Russia, becomes a citizen, and comes back in cold war.
You know, the ramifications of this single act were far-reaching, and they are to this day, but now I think the government got it right, and people like Laura's father are to be commended, because I'm sure Laura, I'm sure he took heat, I'm sure he took, he was criticized.
for the work.
Here's an American trying to do the best he can, cut to the bottom of something that was horrific in our nation's history.
But again, I alluded to it earlier.
Now, America came to the age on November 22nd, 1963.
And as I said, personally, it changed my life.
It's like, wow, I want to be a journalist.
That's what I want to do.
I want to be at the heart or center of these types of things.
Eventually, I think living and dying was too, journalism was too real for me.
And I moved to TV Sport where people win or lose.
Sort of suited to be better.
But nonetheless, I really appreciate the time, John, that you devoted to this.
I thank your guests.
I think it's an amazing moment in our nation's history.
And as a young...
Boy, I know, as Bruce, I was, man, I just was mesmerized by this and this new medium of television, which really came into really being that day in the 24 hour news, you know, interrupted program.
It wasn't done.
You know, just these things weren't done.
Yeah, it's it's really incredible.
When you you think back to how what a pivotal day in American history, I mean, I
You know, I'm in my seventh decade and and I would tell you that I believe That is the day that changed America.
I think we've never been the same since and I think yeah, and not for the better exactly right and You wonder what the trajectory of Vietnam would have been and then just the this whole idea of happenstance.
I mean
Ah, good grief.
If McKinley just hadn't taken that turn at the World's Fair, if Lincoln hadn't had to go to that... Yeah, go ahead, Bruce.
There's one happenstance that's very hard to say.
It's a Texas-based newsman, James Lehrer, who later did the McNeil Lehrer Report on PBS.
He was a young newsman at the time, and he was by the limousine at the left field, and he saw the...
Plexiglass bubble top is on top of the museum.
How many people knew that that was on top of the car at the first half of the day?
Because there was some rain and downtown Dallas had been raining lightly.
So we had the plastic bubble glass, Plexiglass bubble top on.
And Larry always kicked himself later saying, wish I had never said anything.
He goes, I talked with the Secret Service man that he knew.
And so you can keep the top of the car, even if it clears off and the sky clears off.
And he goes,
He says, well, we might take it off.
And so they took the walkie-talkie or something, and they called to contact one of the Secret Service agents.
It was downtown asking if it was still raining down there.
In fact, it had still been misting for quite some time.
So they decided they were going to leave the Plyce West, clear Plyce West bubble top on the limousine.
But once they later had asked about it, they called again to ask what the weather was like downtown.
They said it was starting to clear off.
So they decided to take the Plyce West top off the car.
Other ones had stayed on.
Wow.
Well,
it was not bulletproof, right?
But it was bullet but it was bullet deflective
Yeah,
meaning that a bullet could strike the plexiglass and they crack it in the bullet would reach shade still hurt or kill somebody else We would not penetrate it through so it was not bulletproof make that clear But it was bullet deflective and there's a difference bulletproof means the bullet would hit the plexiglass and stay in the ball would just stay lodged in the glass That's bulletproof deflective means it would have probably cracked it shattered some of it and ricochet off the chances are nobody would have been killed
And the Secret Service stepped off the side guards, too, that day, so they could see Jackie.
The crowd could see Jackie, correct?
Yeah, it was Clint Hill jump off and on the back of the museum about four or five times during the entire route.
He just had gotten off it not too long before they turned on the Houston Street, believe it or not.
So, yeah, it's just so much happenstance.
You know, another thing, too, that I like to bring up that people don't may not know, too, is that
FBI agent James Hostey was interviewing Marina Oswald a couple times when he was down in Dallas because she was a Russian immigrant so they would interview her, see why she was there, what was going on in her life.
And of course it scared the crap out of her because she was afraid that they would send her back to Russia.
And she told Lee that, because I think he left his name and number for Agent Hostey.
What happened was Oswald was mentally deranged, plus he was a true Marxist believer, and he was so angry and so upset that he took a bus, I believe, down to the FBI office in downtown Dallas.
I don't know how many boosters will know this.
This is factual.
You can cross-check me and see if I'm wrong.
Oswald wrote a handwritten note saying that if he didn't, if Hoastie didn't stop interviewing and harassing his wife, he was going to blow up the FBI office building.
They actually wrote that and left it there.
Wow.
And they did nothing about it.
They did nothing.
Wow.
And then after the assassination, after Oswald was killed, mostly he had that note and it was still left there.
And his superior said, tear it up and crush it down with a stool because Oswald's dead now.
It doesn't matter.
That's a verified story.
I checked that last night.
I saw verification of that.
Someone else wants in here.
Go
ahead.
He would
have
been arrested.
Anybody else would have been arrested from NGL for that threat.
If that didn't happen.
Well,
we'll look at everything that that happened from that from Archduke Ferdinand taking the wrong turn the second time There and then everything that spiraled out of control with that And then and then of course just the cat was out of the bag at that point So Laura, yeah coach.
Yeah, come on in
here
Yes, I have.
Yes, I have.
Does that look does that look to you like it's I've heard people have gone down there say it looks small and that that would be an easy shot if you knew how to use it.
Yeah.
It's unbelievable.
Wow.
Yes.
And I stood behind the grassy little picket fence.
And if I were a 10 year old child with a slingshot, the whole world would have seen me.
It's preposterous.
Okay.
Interesting.
Interesting.
So what's the long-term legacy?
Laura, I think it was a terrible day for the country and for the whole world.
And I just, I don't believe Jack Kennedy would have gotten us as entangled in Vietnam as as LBJ did.
I think, you know, I think Westmoreland would have been gone at some point in time earlier on
there.
South-East Asia than General Douglas Martin or MacArthur was.
And on his deathbed at Walter Reed Hospital, he begged Lyndon Johnson not to get involved in the ground war and, of course, Justin ignored
him.
Wow.
Laura, how did that day affect us politically?
You chronicle things so well in Iowa at Bleeding Heartland.
And, you know, we've been the caucus state.
We've been the focus of so much attention.
How did that change us?
I think it was, well,
You know, I've always said at heart, I'm a JFK Democrat, but I think I'm kind of extinct nowadays.
But but how how did that?
How did that change the country?
I just think the cascading of violence, MLK, Bobby Kennedy, I mean, the the distrust of government, the Vietnam, you know, immersion in that war, I just think it would have been so much different had that fateful day not occurred.
Yes, and I should say my father was a Republican, not a Democrat, but it was undeniably such a tragedy for the country.
And I think that the conspiracy theories, although when I was younger, I took great personal offense at people saying or implying that my dad helped cover up the crime of the century.
But I do understand when you look at the evidence
the fact that the original notes from the autopsy were burned, the fact that they never properly interviewed some of the witnesses.
The CIA was
not forthcoming with the Warren Commission.
Right, right.
That's true.
That was something when my father was executive director of the Rockefeller Commission during the Ford administration.
That was something that became very clear in their investigation of the CIA.
And so I understand, I mean, the fact that the autopsy wasn't published.
and many things were not made public.
My father and some of the other staff attorneys on the Warren Commission fought for more things to become public because they were concerned that it would look like a cover-up, and of course that's exactly what happened.
And there have been genuine government conspiracies, and so I do understand why people look at such a huge event like that, and they don't want to believe that one mentally unstable person with a gun
who happened to be working in the Texas School Book Depository, they don't want to believe that one person could alter the course of history.
It's very unfortunate, but the whole industry of conspiracy theory was something that really angered my father.
He gave all of the royalties from any books that he wrote related to the Kennedy assassination he gave to charity because he didn't think that anyone should be personally profiting from the assassination.
was not done by many of the other people who tried to fuel all kinds of outlandish theories.
Wow.
Well, I just, I'm so grateful to all of you in this ensemble.
Let me give each of you
a final concluding comment here because you've all been spectacular in your own way there.
I've got to thank Laura Bellin, editor and founder of Bleeding Heartland, Iowa's top political journalism and commentary site, and extends nationwide.
She's been on C-SPAN and is on all the national coverage for Iowa caucuses, whose father, of course, the great David Bellin, late great David Bellin, on the Warren Commission.
I want to thank Patrick Knapp, Jr., Great Washington victories at Georgetown there, and certainly a mentor for so many incredibly successful women that graduated from Georgetown and now are captains of industry and just tremendous, tremendous public figures in their own right.
Pat exemplifies that classic
Philadelphia Catholic kid, you know, that lionized JFK as so many of our families did from that Irish or Italian or German Catholic background even.
Want to thank Brian Douglas, whose father, Dick Douglas, brought a new era to television in giving live reports
Through Walter Cronkite who from that point forward supplanted Douglas Edwards as CBS
lead anchor and from that point forward beat Huntley Brinkley and ABC in the ratings and of course Bruce Crawford not only for his great charitable work he does as film restorationists and preservationists for charities but also his tedious work in researching as an avocation the Kennedy assassination.
So I'm going to let you all out in reverse alpha order with some final comments.
Coach Knapp.
God I want to thank you for putting this thread together and getting these three professionals on the air with this show I learned quite a bit and Laura I read your father's bio this morning Congratulations on an outstanding career.
Thanks coach nap Let's see why don't we go to mr. Douglas
John?
I too want to thank you.
This was a there's so many of other listeners that are learning about this for the first time this was an
A monumental moment, not for the positive in our country's history.
And I couldn't agree more echoing your thoughts.
It changed America forever.
But I want to thank your guests.
I learned a lot here as well.
And history is what this country is about, and you can never forget these things.
As painful as it is, it's part of our legacy, and we need to discuss it.
And I want to thank you.
And lastly, as the only non-Iowan on this
can't tell you how many times I've televised a drake, realized, worked at the Wells Fargo, but I bought a guitar, a crazy horse guitar at the University
But the point is, I've...
I moved to Des Moines, I moved to Iowa in a millisecond, you guys are, it's a heartland and it's an honor sort of being and joining you guys today, so I thank
you.
Brian Douglas, still having color of office as Iowa Legislator, I hear by W. Honorary Potawatomi County citizen, Brian Douglas.
I'm honored, thank you, my friend.
And Bruce Crawford.
Yes, it's a fascinating, I've never had a public forum before where I've spoken, my research in my,
My knowledge in years of following this and passing down, I used to be very conspiratorily thinking when I was a kid, I think that's what happens when you're a kid.
You know, you don't believe there's more to something than just, you know, the conspiracy of happenstance and just pure coincidence does occur, unfortunately.
And unfortunately it occurs in negative ways, and sometimes in positive ways, but in this case it's extremely negative.
You know, just, you can't fight against happenstance, because it's gonna happen.
You know, what if the top had to stay on top of the limousine, you know, with the plexiglass?
You know, Oswald probably wouldn't bother traveling.
I probably would have decided not to shoot at all, because he knew it would have been pointless.
Wow.
So, you know, simple things like that change history.
Yep.
And, uh, and, uh, it's interesting to see about, look how, but I think, I don't know if it was David Baume, but one of the commissioners called it 1964, the year of the divide, when America and the world was like before the assassination and when it was like afterward.
It's a huge divide in our culture.
Good comment.
And it changed the way we live our lives.
It has to this very day.
It has, Bruce Crawford.
Laura Bellin, you get the last word.
Thanks so much for giving us your time today, Laura.
This has been great.
Your last thoughts as we close out the show.
Well, thank you.
setting this up John and I was thinking what would my dad want to say that hasn't been brought up and any criminal investigator or prosecuting attorney knows that when there are two or more eyewitnesses to a crime you will get slightly different
versions of what happened.
And now imagine that there were hundreds of eyewitnesses and ear witnesses to the same events.
And so a lot of times the conspiracy theories are built on the testimony of one or two people who heard or saw a different number of shots or they saw somebody running away.
And it's not that those people are lying, it's just that if you look at the overwhelming weight of the evidence it points in one direction.
So there was a secret service agent who
testified that he or he he told investigators that he heard the president say my god I've been hit if the Warren Commission theory was correct that the first bullet went through president Kennedy's neck that would have been impossible but Jackie Kennedy governor Connelly mrs Connelly the other Secret Service agents they all said that president Kennedy made no sound after shots were fired so this Secret Service agent he maybe he heard somebody else say
my god he's been hit or maybe he was thinking that and somehow in his memory but nobody very few people were maliciously making up false stories it's just that in the chaos of a traumatic
right right
people see and hear different
things right
Well, guys, this has been splendid, a very sad and poignant reflection, but 60 calendar years ago, 59 full years ago on November 22, ramifications for the world.
And, you know, as we said, Iowa Notre Dame canceled their football game.
Iowans were part of the coverage of this, whether it was Tom Pettit or whether it was David Bellin.
There were so many
key incidents that were pieced together over time and it's important for history because as was pointed out earlier 75% of the current living American people have no historical memory personally.
of that event and so Oliver Stone is pretty powerful if he can put a motion picture out there that maybe takes some artistic license it's nice to bring back fact patterns and as David Bellin always said if on national television they would just give us more than the I'm paraphrasing wildly here but you know he said so often he'd never been
given more than five minutes to lay out the fact pattern and it is pretty impressive if you really dig into it.
So thank you guys all so much.
I would just close by saying in a society such of ours, violence is never the answer and I think we always need to whatever faith background you're from praying for the safety of our public officials
It is really really tan amount and very very key and we have to solve all of our issues The way that this republic does in our constitutional democratic republic we have to do it by By persuasion we have to do it by the ballot box Yep Mike Shane is one in a million But you know the clips don't end here and the inquiry doesn't end here Scott Corey
This story still has fresh legs.
As we know, just a couple of weeks ago, Tucker Carlson went on Fox News with a tirade of a monologue.
Of course, Congress 30 years ago said, you must release all of the Kennedy files.
And yet, Mike Pompeo, CIA director for Trump, refused he invade upon President Trump
not to release those files and the Biden administration now is saying they're not going to release those files, which really raises suspicion in my mind.
Scotty, I used to be an anti conspiracy theorist person when it came to JFK.
I always thought Lee Harvey Oswald was the law the lone gunman and Ruby was just a crackpot who killed them.
I think that might still be the case.
I believe that the ballistic show that all the wounds that killed President Kennedy and hit Governor Connolly were from the Oswald weapon.
However, what were his motivations?
Who was talking to him?
We know he was under surveillance.
Let's pick up part of the dialogue that Tucker Carlson had with his guest.
I think it raises some very good questions.
We asked Pompeo to join us tonight, and though he really turns down a televised interview, he refused to come.
We hope you will reconsider.
In the meantime, we are happy to be joined tonight by New York Post columnist, Randy Devine.
Randy, thank you so much for coming on.
I don't think we've paused long enough to consider what this means after 60 years when every person involved is dead.
We can't see classified information about maybe the pivotal event in modern American history.
And now we know why.
Well, Tucker, look, you laid it out.
really well and you know it used to be that conservatives like me dismissed theories from the left about JFK's assassination as just left-wing conspiracy theories but
Over time, I think that the left looks as if they were quite justified in not trusting the intelligence services.
And I think the WMD pretext for the Iraq war was a red pill, a slowly dawning red pill for me.
And so now you just have to look just on a really basic level.
You just look at the fact that 30 years ago, Congress in a unanimous
bipartisan, unequivocal, unambiguous decision said that these, all the JFK files have to be made public.
Absolutely no reason to keep them back.
As you say, it's almost 60 years ago.
Everybody involved is dead.
You're not worried about sulling reputations or unmasking a spy overseas.
No, there can only be
two reasons for it.
One is that you're trying to protect the CIA against allegations or revelations that it knew more than it made out about Lee Harvey Oswald.
It had a huge file on him.
They were investigating him or in contact with him before the assassination and they didn't do enough to save JFK or protect the president.
But
But you know is that enough to really keep this secret going for 60 years?
I mean the terrible dawning recognition is that really this is about as you said protecting the institution.
If the CIA was involved in that assassination that is the reason that you would want to keep that from the American people because the fury that would erupt
And this is a bipartisan fury.
It'd be the one thing that would unite Americans is an absolute rage at this unaccountable spy agency that has decided that it is going to get involved in murdering, assassinating.
the duly elected American president, for what reason?
You know, there would be such a cleaner of the CIA.
I don't know if it would even survive.
And so the trust in our institutions is already at rock bottom.
I think it's a mistake for Mike Pompeo not to come on your show, because all this does is fuel more conspiracy theories.
The truth is the best disinfectant.
And if the CIA did do this, was involved 60 years ago,
then it needs to come clean.
We need to have a reckoning.
And just to be clear, that was the assessment of someone we spoke to who was directly and personally familiar with the contents of these documents.
It's not someone who read it on the internet.
This is someone who had access to the documents.
And I have to say, I don't understand, and I agree with you, secrecy abets evil.
And the more secrecy you have, the more evil you're likely to have.
So we should minimize the amount of secrecy as a general matter.
But I don't understand how John Brennan can go on NBC News every day.
He was on today.
And no one pauses and asks, like, what is this exactly?
60 years, really?
And don't give me the sources and methods BS, by the way, son.
Like, we're adults here.
What's the real reason?
Why does no one ask him that?
Well the more we see characters from the CIA like John Brennan like those 51 former intelligence officials who signed that scurrilous letter about Hunter Biden being Russian disinformation The more the less impressive they look these people are in the shadows for a reason because if you actually saw who they were Look at John Brennan.
Would you knowing what we know now about him?
Would you really entrust him to run the?
the country's premier spy agency to have such power to run around the world intervening in other country's elections?
No.
So I just don't know what good it does us to have those kind of malevolent people having so much power and using it in our name and causing us all great harm because we don't know what they're doing.
That's right.
Transparency can fix it.
It's the only thing they can.
I appreciate your assessment saying.
We're in the Divine of the New York Post.
Thank you.
So Scott, let's bring this back full circle to Iowa, the late great David Bellin from the Warren Commission set the table here.
So Bellin was on the Warren Commission.
Then in January 75, of course, this can be found on Wikipedia here.
President Gerald Ford himself, a former Warren Commission member, he appointed David Bellin to serve as Executive Director of the Rockefeller Commission.
That investigated illegal activities of the CIA.
Bellin led the Commission's effort to investigate and publicize the CIA's program to assassinate foreign officials.
Under pressure from David Bellin,
The CIA turned over records demonstrating the existence of these secret activities.
When members of the commission, including VP Nelson Rockefeller, objected to further investigation, Bellon used favorable press coverage to convince the commission to allow him to continue.
Key CIA officials then testified about the agency's plans from 1960 to 1964 to assassinate Fidel Castro.
plans that had not been disclosed to the Warren Commission.
Based on this evidence, Bellin prepared a draft chapter for the Commission's report, but both Rockefeller and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger successfully opposed publication of this chapter.
Bellin was upset about the decision, but the evidence that he collected provided important support for the groundbreaking work of the Church Committee
in 1975 and 76.
So Bellin got it right.
He got right about the bullets that killed Kennedy and who the shooter was.
He delved further than anyone else.
This Iowa attorney having been the only one to be on the Warren Commission and the Rockefeller Commission who saw some of these files and found
Uh, miss deeds there that others didn't want covered.
It would be interesting if he were alive today.
What he would think his, uh, uh, sometimes Nemesis, the Notre Dame professor, uh, uh, would, would Blakey, I believe was his name, uh, would later say that he felt that the CIA had misled him, the Notre Dame professor.
So, you know, it, it just begs the question.
without damaging the rubric, Scott, of Oswald being the shooter.
Nonetheless, what Tucker Carlson has brought out, it still gives me pause.
And having been a conservative that never believed in any of this conspiracy theory, I think what Tucker and his guest, Miranda from the New York Post, I've got more doubts in my mind than ever, particularly with what's transgressed
by our government deep state agency, starting with the Iraq war and going all the way into the interference with Twitter and Facebook and the fake dossier, all of this.
You know, that's a great point, John.
And as someone in his forties, it's looking at this.
You know, you talk about the mistrust in my lifetime.
I, you know, I was in elementary school and we had around Contra and then we had the whole Panama and Noriega fiasco.
We had, uh, Haiti fiasco.
We had the bombing of our embassies.
We had 9 11, you know, and then you bring in the Iraq war and now we're talking about all the stuff that's going on between China and Taiwan and North Korea and Ukraine.
You know, it's kind of one of those things Ukraine.
We
were fomenting the United.
United States was fomenting a coup in Ukraine in 2014.
Yeah.
And I think there's a certain secretary Clinton was in charge of the State Department at that time.
And so, you know, as somebody or sheer John Kerry, you know, they're
both in there.
And so, you know, somebody in his 40s, you know,
how I kind of became ingrained with this whole JFK thing, you know, was, you know, conversations that I had heard from my parents and grandparents and family friends, but also the movie JFK with Kevin Costner.
And now we get, as we come full circle with everything in the light of the Tucker Carlson interview, who we have suspicions his highly placed source, there's only a handful of people in the government that know
this.
Don't you wonder if.
President Trump is indeed that highly placed source with personal knowledge.
I mean Tucker and Trump socialized for crying
out loud.
And Trump would be about one of only four or five people in the entire government that would actually know what's going on.
And that would talk to a friendly reporter.
Reply this report.
Yeah.
And I'm up to the point too, where, you know, we need to bring back a church commission and get to the bottom of this.
It cannot be led by somebody like Lindsey Graham or anything like that.
It needs to be somebody like a Rand Paul.
Yeah, we need another David Bellin.
Yeah.
And we'll have Laura on for installment five.
I don't know if Laura would be interested in doing it.
She certainly has good sleuthing capabilities in her work for bleeding heartland.
But
It's just a fascinating part of our history, Scott, but it's somewhat chilling to contemplate the consequences.
And perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle.
We know that Oswald was surveilled.
Maybe people are just embarrassed that they didn't keep close enough.
Maybe it was not anybody in cahoots with anything at all, but just someone taking their eye off the ball akin to 9-11 when all of these people were under scrutiny, but different agencies weren't talking to each other and those hijackers did.
you know, somehow get on those planes in 9-11 even though their existence was known.
And that's a great point too.
And we talk about, you know, America was a different country in 1963 and at the same time, if there is evidence that the CIA was operating in the continental United States, that blows the whole roof off that whole agency because that is against the law.
That law was not changed until basically the Patriot Act was signed in 2000.
two, I believe.
And so, I mean, if they did that, um, I basically, you're going to have to shut down that entire agency and start from scratch.
And, uh, it always comes down to, you know, you talk about the Kennedy assassination too.
And I can't remember the person that said it, but it was a historian that said one of two things happened.
Either it was the most elaborate conspiracy and cover up in human history, or it was basically, for lack of a better term, a comedy of errors.
And the American public dude does not want to necessarily
believe that a lone government could take out such a beloved president under a comedy of errors.
And yet
in this country, it happened against William McKinley in 1901.
It happened against President Garfield in 1881.
It happened to President Lincoln in 1865.
Teddy Roosevelt, he was almost assassinated.
the White House breaking the barrier against President Truman, FDR, almost being assassinated in Florida with the Chicago mayor who took the bullet for him there in the automobile, the two attempts against Gerald Ford, the attempt against Ronald Reagan.
Again, we've always pride ourselves in being a nation of laws, not man.
We certainly want to be a nation that does not
encourage violence.
Another friend of the show, Bobby Kennedy Jr., with whom I've had some interaction on some other issues, would love to get his reaction because he tweeted out, and I quote, the most courageous newscast in 60 years, talking about the Tucker Carlson newscast.
The most courageous newscast in 60 years, the CIA's murder of my uncle,
was a successful coup d'etat from which our democracy has never recovered from Robert F. Kennedy
Jr.
And that's a sad part of it too, is that we're thinking as from a thousand foot level area, a thousand mile, you know, where we're talking about, you know, this is
This actually has human consequences.
A person lost his uncle, you know, the Kennedy's law, you know, John John lost his dad, you know, Caroline lost her dad.
And so we kind of forget that sometimes that this was actually a human story as well, not just a national story.
Very well said.
Well, we'll cue up our Edward R. Murrow music again here.
This has been a
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I just want to thank all the folks who are part of this report, but especially give a tip of the hat to the Iowans that were so integral a part of this.
From Tom Pettit, from WOI Ames, to our own David Bellin, founder of the still currently flourishing Bellin law firm in Des Moines, Iowa.
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John Jacobson here with Scott Corey and Mike Shane.
Where's that Mike Shane ringtone our super engineer here as we coordinate from all over the state of Iowa this cutting edge interview.
This is ingrained in my DNA, Scott.
When I hear this sounder, I know important news is about to be promulgated to the
citizenry.
Well, I think part of Mike's contract says that we all have to have his ringtone when he gives us a call.
Exactly, exactly.
We're here with the great ones.
Dr. Ted Fogarty, Dr. Bradley Meyer, our cutting edge curative doctors in Iowa that did so much
to quell and to defeat COVID with their front end antiviral aggressive therapy and vindicated such that now that they have one cares grant funding for some of their work and Scotty, their work in hyperbarics is even more cutting edge with the things they've been able to do to reverse stroke.
Concussions and and other such things
not only that it's also be used by some of our athletes as well You know to deal with some of their aches and pains and concussions as well
Doc lead us in dr. Fogarty and dr. Meyer
Yeah, thank you, John and Scott and Mike.
Um, well Brad and I are just uh on the road from a Back to okuboji area and fighting through the snowdrift and hoping to
get safe travel, but in my work in North Dakota as the chair of radiology for the University of North Dakota School of Medicine, I stumbled across spirulina years ago.
Spirulina, spell spirulina.
Yes, it's S-P-I-R-U-L-I-N-A.
Okay, very good.
And it's a radio protective agent.
The Russians used spirulina and some other algae products that are safe for human consumption in detoxing people in the surrounding areas of Chernobyl.
And so I really kind of first got onto that.
In an aerospace radiology medicine kind of context, NASA has been using spirulina.
also for many, many years in the space station program.
And so it's just historically, it's a new world product of the Americas that the Aztecs actually discovered 500 years ago when they were doing battle with the Spaniards.
And so it is a single-cell organism that self-replicates in 24 to 48 hours under culture.
And we have this incredible grower industry.
Technically it's an ag product.
The oldest
And most renowned grower in America is in California.
It's called Earthrise.
And I've discussed some of their uses in the agricultural world of spirulina for weeding feed.
Spirulina is in some of the weeding feeds for our calves in the cattle industry.
and some major companies in the ag world using it.
And so just from an agricultural standpoint, as an ag product, it has these incredible array of building blocks of everything we need at the cellular level and also some very important pigments that are antiviral in nature.
I included that spirulina into the mix for the North Dakota CARES Act naturopathic medical countermeasures that I came out with that includes the
the purple powder, which a small percentage of that purple powder is spirulina.
And you don't really need a whole lot of it.
According to our taxpayer-funded research in the world's medical literature in PubMed, if anybody who's listening to me and has been listening to the Jacobson group over time here,
uh... would understand that i'd i'd love to teach our citizenry how to use our our u.s.
taxpayer funded database of of pub med and so if you do a search of spiralinga and and then uh... viral the term viral and you'll see about sixty
scientific reports of how our nations and our world scientists are trying to find a way to leverage the antiviral pigments of spirulina to come up with a pharmaceutical concept.
But this is a nutraceutical concept.
It's a designer nutraceutical that I was commissioned to put together out of the North Dakota Federal CARES Act grant system.
And it's in the mission of the grant that I'm to broadcast this to everyone that I can, not just in health care.
but also just every average American citizen.
And so the $50,000 that the federal government actually commissioned me to come up with this broadcasting platform and this teaching module over state lines is probably the best spent $50,000 of the federal government's money since the start of the pandemic.
You're getting back to regenerating at the cellular level to
letting us recharge our body's batteries, essentially, aren't you, Dr. Meyer?
Yeah, absolutely, John.
And what we're seeing right now in the plane chair going into the winter season is the aftermath of these COVID vaccines that went out.
And all of our immune systems have been injured by the spike protein.
and the spike protein is produced in natural COVID, but it's also our body is told to replicate this this daggers, injurious protein that is harmful to our body.
That's what we are telling our bodies to make when we get that that COVID vaccine.
So that in turn has led to
more and more respiratory cases, RSV is on the rise, blue COVID's back.
And the reason again is it's that we have those that have taken the vaccine and unfortunately some unwittingly or being coerced to do so now have we created a larger reservoir for all of these these
these pathogens, these viruses, and that's why we're seeing more and more of the hospitals filled up with RSV than we ever have kids.
A lot of RSV cases with children right now, greater than ever before.
And so how can we combat this?
And there are a lot of natural measures to combat these spike proteins and to boost our immune system.
And a lot of them are nutraceuticals, food-based products, that's the purple powder.
that has the spirulina in it.
It's the hyperbaric.
And you know, I want to give an example of a case where we've seen a couple folks that this last summer that their heart tissue was damaged.
They had a cardiac event, one in particular.
um she she her her cells in her heart were not functioning adequately and this is documented the reversal in her ejection fraction that's how well her heart is pumping um it went it doubled it over doubled after she started hyperbaric therapy and after she started on the purple powder so you liken the the heart or the body
to an engine and if your engine is running and it's low on oil, if it's oil on coolant, it's gonna start to overheat.
So we need to feed our bodies things that they're low on.
A lot of times they're low on glutathione, they're low on different vitamins and different supplements, food and nutraceuticals.
And this is where we're refueling the body and hence the immune system's ability to fight illness.
with these natural measures.
What's the number where they can reach you or a website or the address up there if you guys would be so kind again for maybe some of our newer listeners?
Yeah, 712-339-6024 is our phone number and if you're interested in just learning about
hyperbaric wellness in the home.
Just say you'd like to have a visit with Dr. Fogarty and they'll schedule it for us.
How does the studio audience respond today?
There's the crowd.
They love it.
Fogarty and Meyer, Bradley Meyer, Ted Fogarty.
Thanks guys.
We'll be back with you next week.
Scott, we're coming up to the end of the show.
What a beautiful time of year.
We've had traffic snafus.
We've had Arctic cold.
We've had quite the weather spell here across the greater U.S.
these last weeks.
But the Holy Family had a tough trek across the desert to get their census duties as citizens completed.
And then, literally, there was no room at the end.
puts our troubles into perspective.
We don't have a king trying to murder us the second that we're born.
You know, that's a great point too, John.
It could be a whole lot worse things out there.
And this year, I made it a very important part of our family life to tell our family and friends what I'm grateful about with them and their contributions, not only to our family, but in the community as well.
And I think everybody should do that in this time of reflection as we celebrate the Christmas season.
And I know, John, you spent a lot of time as well with your
family you're going to do some traveling things like that and that we've joked too that sometimes you know as we get older we we not only think about you know a white Christmas with Ben Crosby but sometimes we're more like say Chevy Chase and Christmas Vacation Clark Griswold where we have that meltdown but we still love our family at the end.
It is that conundrum that juxtaposition of
year and chaos that our whole tax schedules, our business schedules are set up for that mad rush, that mad dash at the end of the year, albeit with this wonderfully idyllic thought that it should be serene and reflective and surrounded by beauty.
And what what makes me happy in this Scotty is I'm a traditionalist.
I don't put all that pressure on the one day for me.
There's 12 days of Christmas.
I've got till January 6th to give all my gifts, to wish all my wishes, and throw all my parties.
You know, I think that's a great way to look at it, too.
And you know, we were joking off the air that, you know, before the Christmas holiday on Friday was another great tradition holiday.
Festivus!
And sometimes during the- All the Seinfeld fans.
Yeah, the
Seinfeld fans out there.
And sometimes, you know, it's probably good to let a little steam off and a little serenity now,
as Frank Costanza would say.
but
you know that's a great point too is that Christmas is not just a 24-hour time period it's a year-round time commitment and that's why we have to be so grateful to our family and our friends in our communities and you know take that extra step and say please and thank you a little bit more often as well.
Well, and those that sponsor the show like Barb Hames doing all of the great food pantry work and our physicians sometimes doing, uh, feeding without charge, curing people of their illnesses.
Uh, this is a time of year to look out for those that do not have that are going without Scott and it crystallizes for us the need to, uh,
love our neighbor and to the least of these we do unto our Lord so we have that duty to see Christ in their eyes and to help as Ebenezer Scrooge even did with his metamorphosis.
You know that's a great point too and you know I lost a very close family friend this year he was 39 years old we were joking about two to three hours before his death and it was one of those things too that
You know that's what really brought all this on to is spending more time and telling your family and friends how much you love them I know a lot of our listeners have lost some loved ones this year as well and our heart goes out to all of them and That's why we have to take in hold on to this that life is so precious and you know We are so grateful for the Lord Jesus Christ too because there is that afterlife in his kingdom
Yes, it says in scripture.
We're surrounded by a great crowd of witnesses and the
the most transformative thing ever in human history, the incarnation, life, death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
It reverberates through time and history, Scott.
It's the eternal now for God.
Time is a convention given to man, but that ripple effect, that resonance extends through time and space and resonates and touches each and every one of us today, that that act
from 2000 years ago continues to reverberate through history in the most optimistic story that we know ends so beautifully happily ever after in heaven with
our Lord Jesus Christ.
Next new year be safe, be smart, be good, be strong.
Love Jesus Christ in this great Christmas season.
God blesses everyone.
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